side grip for a clearer site picture opinions

CaliforniaOutlaw2024 said:
the muzzle is turned sideways. the ejection port to the left. if it helps it is oft called gangsta style in slang.
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Perhaps you meant grip? I presume the muzzle is still pointed where you want the bullets to go.

I don't know why that would give a clearer sight picture. Guns are designed with the sights on the top of the gun, and it seems as if the clearest sight picture would keep the sights on the top of the gun.

You can probably find any number of video's of professional shooters, LE/MIL/Competition, and it would seem unlikely you'd find any of those shooting with such a grip. If there was an advantage, you'd see them using that technique, and you don't.
 
I assumed that the original post referred to the homie style usually encountered in videos and video games. I may have jumped to the wrong conclusion. I have since learned that a flat or canted grip may have some utility if an optical sight is not working.

If OP would like to clarify, or if anyone has trained to use this grip for any functional benefit, please feel free to weigh in.
 
rust collector said:
I assumed that the original post referred to the homie style usually encountered in videos and video games. I may have jumped to the wrong conclusion. I have since learned that a flat or canted grip may have some utility if an optical sight is not working.

If OP would like to clarify, or if anyone has trained to use this grip for any functional benefit, please feel free to weigh in.
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No worries RC. A ballistic shield may obscure a target view. Some police officers are in fact taught to hold a service weapon in such a way. Also the spent brass might be deflected downward avoiding burns on the hand.
 
CaliforniaOutlaw2024 said:
the ejection port to the left.
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Ejection ports are to the left right anyway when the pistol is held upright.

CaliforniaOutlaw2024 said:
the muzzle is turned sideways.
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So you're pointing the gun to the left or right perpendicular to the shooter?

CaliforniaOutlaw2024 said:
Also the spent brass might be deflected downward avoiding burns on the hand.
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Brass ejected from a firearm doesn't burn the hand because it is ejected away from the firearm and the hand holding it.

It appears you're not familiar with parts of a firearm, their function, and how they're held.
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CaliforniaOutlaw2024 said:
i'm not terribly all that familiar with most handguns however i am willing to learn.
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Then you're in the right place, BUT it is best to start off learning the fundamentals of proper firearms use and the terminology about them to provide a basis for participating reasonably in discussion.

Being from the UK and now in California what is something you know in depth and detail? Think of the time it took for you to learn enough to have a reasonable conversation instead of one filled with assumptions and misunderstanding.

Approach this forum with the desire to learn first and foremost.

So, to get back to "gangsta style" grip for a handgun.

Are you left or right handed?

Which eye is dominant?

What would be the relative position of your dominant eye and hand AND the front/right sight alignment if you were to hold a handgun in this manner? Think carefully and you'll reason your way to the conclusion.
 
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We are all here to learn, and we all started someplace. One of the first concepts we like to convey is to discard everything seen in video games and most movies and videos. The folks in the entertainment industry (and increasingly, in the "influencer" category) usually do not have a sound background in firearm safety and use. Ironically, they feature gunplay to appeal to audiences and make money, but decry gun violence and tend to support anti-gun efforts.

While a flat grip may have limited usefulness in rare circumstances, it is mostly identified with gang-bangers, or folks who want to appear intimidating but never took the time to learn the basics. It sacrifices reliability and precision for image and impression.
 
So I will say this, we practice this for one handed shooting at work. Sighting along the slide frame joint is one of our ways to aim in an emergency. Like if the red dot is done or broken to the point where you cannot use the irons.

For general one handed emergency shooting with irons we cant about 45°. So it is a viable better than nothing, emergency aiming method.
 
hso said:
Ejection ports are to the left anyway when the pistol is held upright.
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Wouldn't an ejection port to the "left" be when the gun is held upside down?

When the gun is held upright, as it would normally be held, ejection is to the right on most handguns.
 
JTQ said:
When the gun is held upright, as it would normally be held, ejection is to the right on most handguns.
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My mind said right and my hands typed left!
 
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I have shot my pistols "gangsta" style before and it was not the most comfortable method as the recoil impulse is "sideways" vs. "Vertical." It was fun for a mag. dump at the end of the day but that was all.
 
The 'gangsta' style is all about style, looking cool while making empties.
The recoil impulse, when held sideways, is counter to the usual vertical orientation. Impact will be dispersed to the left, due to recoil, and down, due to gravity. Wonder where the pistol would actually hit?
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This is one of those things where you only know what you know, and if you don't try it out for yourself, you'll never know.

And there is nothing wrong, and actually, a lot of good that comes from shooting in ways that are outside the norm (within reason), as you know your gun better, and are more confident in your shooting skills.
 
practicing different grip stances. i guess that is what they are called. got an old school type b.b. pistol. looks like a beretta 9 mm but isn't obviously. heavy to hold so my hand tends to lean left. still managed to hit the can of pork and beans fairly easily. if it was an actual pistol and i pulled back on the slide i suppose the bullet in the chamber would go straight up
 
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With the strong hand hit and disabled in a gunfight, canting the pistol 45-degrees toward the dominant eye firing weak hand only produces accurate hits.
 
Not a fully flat, horizontal grip but I have found some degree of inboard cant to allow more manageable one-handed shooting. Nothing I do is stylish, so rule that out.

Pretty sure they've been holding pistols at least partly sideways in movies since way before gangster rap was ever a thing. They were just slanted the opposite direction.
 
When I first started trying to learn to shoot a handgun I was mostly just wasting ammunition. My wife gave me a book by Massad Ayoob called, "The Gun Digest Book of Combat Handgunnery". In it he basically breaks down how to shoot a handgun. For one handed shooting he said to use the McMillan Cant. It is used when shooting one handed. The hand gripping the firearm is rolled slightly towards the centerline of the shooters body. This aligns the bones in the shooters arm to give better support. I wish I had a picture or link for you but right now I can find one.
 
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