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sig 556 Or?

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by lue_119, Dec 3, 2012.

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  1. stubbicatt

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    I agree with Henschman. A good quality AR15 is very reliable, especially at the rates of fire which civilians are likely to expose them to. I would not let reliability be a deterrent to purchasing an AR, if it is something you otherwise like.

    I personally do not like that rifle. The bolt carrier reciprocating in the buttstock like that is annoying, as is the encrusted filthiness of the bolt carrier/receiver *to me*. But let me be clear: this is a personal choice, not an indictment on the AR in any way, which is an excellent rifle which many people like quite a bit. Sorta like fish, not everybody likes it. :)

    So don't let the internet reports of reliability issues put you off. I think that they are exaggerated greatly, and if you pour sand or grit in your rifle to verify its reliability I guess your world is very different from mine, where my rifle is not exposed to such environmental detritus... nobody shoots at me with 105's tossing dirt into the air, nor do I ford rivers and the like with my rifle. Again, perhaps you do this, and if so, your needs are on an entirely different level from mine. YMMV.

    Now, as for the SIG, a couple things I like: The reciprocating charging handle combined with a bolt release on the left of the receiver gives the shooter choices as to the method of reload. Something the AR lacks, at least stock. The reciprocating bolt handle also doubles as a quick hasty ultra close range sight... you may have seen those sights the AR guys put on their rifles where they turn it 45 degrees and there are the sights? Well, that's standard on the SIG, and you can choose aiming references on the front end of the rifle depending on offset.

    Balance is one of those things you either like about it or don't like. I don't like that the movement of the bolt and carrier of the AR shift the balance of the rifle to the rear like that. One thing about the SIG, at no time does any of the reciprocating mass travel to the rear of the rear sight, thus *subjectively* limiting muzzle rise.

    The folding stock is nice for stowage in your vehicle and ease of retrieval.

    The iron sights are slick, unobtrusive, and with a low mount red dot sight, the dot just hovers over the top of the front sight post with the rear set on the notch, which to me is the best of all possible worlds. Don't have to fold it up or down, it remains in place. The diopter is excellent at range, and has a neat feature where it won't rotate from the notch to the 300 yard setting, which is either a "love it" or "hate it" feature.

    The gas regulator is something I enjoy, not because I have ever had occasion to use the adverse setting, but because of the thought in the design and execution of that gas block. There are two oblique holes drilled through the gas block which will line up with the unused port in the regulator to vent unused gasses down and away from the gas block. Having had a FAL, where that knob gets all sooty and nasty and is a PITA to clean, I appreciate this feature of the SIG.

    I haven't tried it yet, but one complaint I haven't seen leveled at the SIG is anything to do with steel cased ammo... near as I can tell it is reliable with that stuff.

    While I am led to believe this may not be a standard feature anymore on all of the SIG rifles, the SIG nitrided (melonite process) cold hammer forged barrel is reputed to be quite a bit more durable than the chrome lined barrels so highly sought after in the AR15 world. A neat touch, and I can attest to how easy the rifle is to clean up. Never have I owned a rifle whose barrel is that easy to clean.

    Down side to the rifle from my perspective is that the geometry between the grip and the thumb side of the ambi safety is awkward to use. From low ready one has to cant the rifle a bit to the thumb side of the shooting hand to place his thumb on the safety for quick manipulation. There are replacement safety/selector levers available, and I may at some point purchase one of these. Since I use the trigger finger to go to "safe," that is the same for me whether the SIG or the AR15.

    The trigger itself is adequate, although to my taste it has a lot of unnecessary over travel.

    So, OP, if you get a chance to hold these two rifles, or others in which you have an interest, and maybe even shoot a few, your choices should gel over time to enable you to buy the best choice for you.
     
  2. Girodin

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    The only complaints I've seen of this were with the first design of the 556R. It was amazing to me that sig would release a rifle chambered in 7.62x39 that wouldn't reliably cycle steel case. However, it is reported that sig has updated that rifle to fix that, and other, shortcomings. The 556R is a rifle that interests me a great deal. I'm still waiting to make sure all the issues were really worked out and that all the old stock is sold through before I buy one.
     
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    That's like deciding all Asian compact cars are junk just because your friend had issues with the cheapest Korean car on the market.

    I'd suggest staying open minded and reconsidering your position.
     
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    Love the design of the Sig 55X series of rifles. The gas piston/bolt system was heavily influenced by the AK, but the accuracy and ease of mounting optics is more akin to an AR. Best of both worlds IMHO.
     
  6. stubbicatt

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    Girodin, those I have seen lately have a late summer/early fall "born on" date. Mine was June 21.

    I understand there is some indication that SIG is not putting the hammer forged nitrided barrel on all of their rifles anymore. I do not know the facts about this but if I were in the market I would call them and ask them how to discern one with the nitrided barrel from one without.

    Don't hesitate to buy one today. I feel comfortable you will be happy with it.

    Regards,
    Stubb
     
  7. Girodin

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    Interesting. I wonder what the deal with that is. I'll have to look into it.
     
  8. stubbicatt

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    One of the SIG556 specific forums I frequent a contributor said that if the barrel isn't stamped near the gas block, then it isn't nitrided. I do not know the truth of this, but would call SIG to verify if it is true, and if so, how to tell the difference.

    No kidding, this barrel is the easiest to clean I have ever owned.
     
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