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  1. project88

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    So my lady wants to get a sig sauer p250 as a carry gun; mainly due to the fact that she likes how the gun feels and fits her hand. While i know fit/feel of any gun is very important, i believe reliability is the most important aspect and i've heard rumors floating around the gun shop that the p250's have issues involving the trigger group not functioning properly. Does this rumor have any truth behind it? Anyone on here have any experience with the sig p250? My main concern is whether or not the p250 is gonna be a reliable gun and if not can anyone recommend a quality weapon with a similar grip feel and balance?
     
  2. AK103K

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    I've had a P250c in 9mm for awhile now, and never had any issues with the trigger. It has a very nice DA trigger. Its smooth and very easy to shoot well with. I've seen some post that theirs was not all that nice, but I have yet to see one that was anything but very nice.

    No problems reliability wise either. I've yet to have a stoppage with it.
     
  3. jwalker497

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    I didnt like the long reset
     
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    Had mine for a year now and love it. 9mm compact. It is just a range gun for me and do not carry it but would not have a problem doing so. I have 1k+ rounds through it and not a single hicup.

    The long double action trigger took some getting used to and is a alot different from Glocks and M9 which is what i am used to. The sig light night sights are bright and crisp and easy to pick up in low-no light. Take down and cleaning is simple. It eats enything i feed it. Remmy UMC, Win white box, Federal Hydra shock, Blazer brass and steel. My best groups where with the Federal Hydra shock +P+. 3 inch groups at 15 yds, just slow fire two hand grip. Farely accurate, I am not a bullseye shooter so tack driving isnt my thing.

    IMO if your wife likes it go rent one and take it to the range.
     
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    I'm going to hope that people continue their responses to this thread, since I'm also looking seriously at a P250...specifically for concealed carry. I have an XDM in .40 so would like to stick with that caliber, but the XDM is a bit larger than I'd like for concealed carry. I've shot the Glock 23, and while it was okay it didn't grab me.

    Anybody else want to weigh in on the P250? There's a ton of comments on the internet that suggest there were some initial build problems, but there are also lots of folks who love the gun. I've also seen a few comments from people alluding to a potential design change for the 250 (which may be why they're on sale locally). I can get one for $469 new, which seems like a decent deal to me. I'm comfortable with DAO, and the action seems REALLY smooth. So, any others want to say yea or nay on the P250?

    Thanks in advance from cold, dreary Columbus OH!
     
  6. jwalker497

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    I had one. I like the feel, it shot well. I even changed the frame from the standard medium to the small and it fit me that much better. Loved that customization and the fram was only $40. The only problem like I said was the long trigger reset. I think I could have gotten used to it, so don't let that dissuade you. However, as compared to other DAOs, it didnt feel right, making sure I allowed the trigger to reset was something I never thought about until this gun. Other than that it was awesome.

    I think the swapping of calibers is a cool idea, but they botched it on this becuase to swap to another caliber is really expensive and not worth it, mine as well get a new gun. If it was cheaper by a lot, then maybe
     
  7. DFW1911

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    I've carried one as one of my primary CCWs for over a year now. It's been to the range many times and I've yet to have any problems at all.

    The trigger is long but consistent and breaks like glass at the same point every time. The reset may take some time to get used to, but nothing practice won't cure. The trigger pull is 5#, or so I've heard.

    My S/O loves it. It fits her hand well, she's comfortable with it, and it's one of the few guns she will CCW.

    I've read some not so favorable reviews on THR about the P250, but I stake my life on it every single day - I'm that confident in it as a CCW.
     
  8. rellascout

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    Super loooooooooong trigger. It is smooth enough but it seems like it takes a mile to break. Then the reset which is perfectly illustrated by this video.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKl0GhiyQ3Y

    Revolver shooters seem to like it. Mine ran fine. I never had an issue with it. No malfunctions in about 300 to 400 rounds. It just did nothing for me.

    They are not selling well. There were a lot of teething issues right out of the gate. They could not even get the mags right. They were orginally supposed to be 16+1 in 9mm but no one could get the 16th round in a mag. Sig made no apologizes about this. There were a lot of FTEs reported and then the defective trigger groups. They have not won a single contract of note with these guns IIRC. This is why they are being blown out by everyone.

    They are a cool concept with horrible execution IMHO. I sold mine for what I had in it.
     
  9. 10mm Mike

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    Here is a review of my Full Size P250 in .45 from back in November:

    I'm still having trouble adjusting to the double action only trigger. Its a very, very long pull. The main problem with it isnt that its such a long pull, so much as that you have to pull it past where you would expect it to break, which makes it alittle uncomfortable on the trigger finger when shooting it a bunch. I'm hoping that is something that I can get used to. I did alot of dry firing when I first bought it and got a good feeling for it, but I guess I'll have to do that some more because I wasnt really prepared for the long pull after shooting the surplus PA-63 (which was fantastic by the way!). It is a very smooth and consistent pull at least.

    It took a few rounds to get used to the SIG sights, because I shot the PA-63 first, and it sits much lower in the hand than does the SIG. On the plus side, it absorbs the .45 recoil quite well. The ergonomics are fantastic. It feels good in the hand, the controls are placed in the perfect location for my hands, and it only takes a minimal amount of force on the slide release to chamber a round when switching out mags (unlike my glocks where you have to push down quite hard).

    The first 40 or so rounds through I had several failure to feeds on the last round in the magazine. A few times the slide would lock back as if the mag was empty, only there was still a round or 2 left in the mag. Not sure what was causing that, but I was shooting some crappy old remanufactured ammo so I assumed/hoped that was to blame. The next 20 rounds were from new winchester white box and the gun functioned quite abit better, though I did still get 1 failure to feed on the last round in 1 mag, and 1 or 2 premature slide lockbacks. I'm not sure what is causing this problem, but I think it might be a weak magazine spring since the failures to feed were all on the last round in the mags. Not sure what would cause the early slide lockback. I wasnt really shooting for accuracy because I was trying to get a feel for the gun, so I cant say how accurate it is yet. I did shoot consistently low and to the left, which I do with most of my pistols and is a problem I am still trying to correct with my pistol shooting.

    Takedown for cleaning is by far the easiest of any handgun I have ever seen. I wish other handguns were this easy. I'm really impressed with that. Overall, the gun was a pleasure to shoot, and I could comfortably shoot it all day long. Hopefully I can get used to the trigger and get the kinks worked out.
     
  10. AK103K

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    A lot of people seem to make a big deal about the reset. I havent figured out what that big deal is, but I just shoot the gun and dont worry about it.

    The P250's trigger is a lot like the standard DA trigger on standard SIG's, except is lighter. Its actually a lot like a revolvers DA trigger, and shoots pretty much the same, but again, just lighter.

    If you pay attention to the sights and shooting the target, you wont have any problems. Unless of course, you're the type that likes to worry on things that arent a worry. :)
     
  11. Runningman

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    On the p250 I shot it was reliable and felt good but just could not get used to the trigger.

    Take a look at the CZ P-07. It is a DA/SA very accurate for its size and CZ absolutely nailed the grip design on this one.
     
  12. rellascout

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    Its funny how consistently when the P250 come up there is only one person who does not agree that the trigger pull is excessively long and that the reset is slow.... yet still tries to use this lack of awareness as a point of superiority?

    Every other supporter of the platform at least acknowledges the obvious.

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  13. AK103K

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    Yea boy, I'm the only one around here that doesnt seem to mind the trigger or think that its some sort of handicap, or that there is even something wrong with it.

    The trigger pull is what it is. If you cant shoot it, its not the guns fault. Its no different than shooting anything else, just shoot the gun and quit whining and making up excuses. If you dont like it, dont shoot it. Its as simple as that.

    Seems pretty simple to me, but then again, I dont have troubles shooting it, or most other things. I still havent figured out why reset is such a big deal either. I just must not worry myself to death enough. :)
     
  14. rellascout

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    I don't think other people are worried to death about it but it is different than every other Sig. It is different than a Glock. It is different than a BHP or a 1911.

    I shot well with it I just didn't like it. I shoot well with a Glock 19 but I don't like it either. I think most people if they are a decent shot and shoot it enough can shoot it well. The same is true of almost any platform. but with all the choices out there why would anyone own something that does not suit them.

    “It’s just a tool box. You pick the tool for the job.” -Sam from Ronin

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  15. AK103K

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    Exactly. Pick it up and shoot it.
     
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    We agree on that point but if I have a choice between the P250 and another gun for personal ownership spending my money for me there are better choices.

    YMMV.

    I do think that it is an indisputable fact that it has a long DA trigger pull and a long reset. This does not make it a horrible firearm but you cannot argue that the gun has these qualities.

    Like i said if you are proficient you can master almost any trigger within a few hundred rounds.
     
  17. AK103K

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    I never said it didnt have a long trigger. I simple said it was like a standard SIG DA trigger, which I believe it is, and that it was very nice. Its actually more like my P245's DAO trigger, which is a true DAO and not a DAK, and again, the P250's trigger is a good bit lighter and smoother.

    The reset thing is a personal thing I suppose. Over all these years of shooting all types of weapons, I never knew it was an issue until I saw it start to pop up in the internet, and then all of a sudden, everyone and his brother is repeating the mantra. I still dont see what the big deal is either. Maybe if your a games shooter trying too shave milliseconds off a time clock, it is, but for real world use, I dont buy it.

    I believe you're correct about being proficient and being able to master most any of them. Personally, I feel if you can shoot a stock DA Colt or S&W revolver well (shooting DAO), you can pretty much shoot anything well, and triggers are not generally an issue, unless you care to make them one.

    I actually believe people do themselves a disservice by insisting on trigger "upgrades". Unless there is a blatant defect, 99.9% of the stock triggers are fine. The more you insist on some sort of tuned or match trigger, you become more hooked on the crutch and less of a shooter. Its sort of like wearing eyeglasses. The more you go to the eye doctor and he keeps upping your prescription, the weaker your eyes progressively get. Same goes for your trigger finger.
     
  18. project88

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    The long trigger and long reset isn't an issue in my mind. What i was hearing was that the triggers weren't functioning right. I'm a firm beliver a less then desireable trigger can be overcome through practice. As i said my primary concern is reliability.
     
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    I got to shoot one a year ago, next month, for about 50 rounds or so and really enjoyed it. The length of trigger pull didn't bother me at all that I can recall. In fact, what I remember is it's smoothness and clean, crisp break.

    If I had the scratch laying around, I would jump on one priced at $469. The difficulty would be in chosing between 9mm and .45ACP

    Q
     
  20. rellascout

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    I disagree with this statement. The polymer Sigs have distinctively different triggers than the Classic P series guns both in design and feel.

    This is also true for the SP2022 which also has a longer trigger pull and it is a DA/SA gun. The breaking point is much further back in the stroke. Again it is not that you cannot over come it or shoot well with it but they are distinctly different.
     
  21. AK103K

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    Since you brought it up, I just checked the distance the trigger travels on the P250 and a couple other P series SIGs. The distance on all of them was pretty much the same, and the P220 and P239 were actually longer.

    I dont have a 2022, and have never shot one, so I cant say one way or the other there.

    Nothing scientific here, just measured from the start of trigger movement to let off.

    P250....1/2"-5/8"

    P6........5/8"

    P220....3/4"

    P226R....1/2"-5/8"

    P229R....1/2"-5/8"

    P239......3/4"

    While they may or may not be a physically different trigger, I dont know, but the only thing I can see different with the P250's trigger is the stroke is noticeably lighter and nicer when you compare the DA stroke of all of them side by side, other than that, everything else is pretty much the same. Of the rest, the P239 came in second, and all the others, about even. Regardless, they all are easy to shoot well with.

    Seems like all of this is just personal preference and maybe different thoughts on technique more than anything else. If any of the above pistols, or any other make for that matter, were handed to you as your issue weapon and you had to shoot it "as is" with no modifications, you'd either learn to shoot it well, or you wouldnt. If you couldnt, barring a bad gun, its still basically on you, and not the guns fault.
     
  22. Strahley

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    Had a compact 9mm, got rid of it. In my opinion:

    Pros
    Felt very good in hand
    Factory night sights
    Trigger was smooth
    Lightweight
    Easy detail cleaning
    Good customer service
    It's a SIG

    Cons
    3 different magazines had issues*
    Trigger was long and had a long reset**
    Rather expensvie

    *The magazines worked fine out of the box, but after sitting loaded with 15 rounds, they would no longer lock the slide back. 3 different magazines from 3 different places all did this

    **The trigger was very smooth, no gritty feeling, but being a long DAO trigger, I had problems keeping the sights exactly where I wanted them, and follow up shots were hard to do quickly. I shot other guns MUCH better

    If they can figure out a way to get something besides the DAO trigger and fix the magazine problems, I'd probably get another one. But for the price and these drawbacks, I'd rather have something else (Glock 19, M&P, FN-P, etc)
     
  23. AK103K

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    Just curious here, but what grip do you use to hold the pistol?

    The reason I ask is, SIG's in general are finicky about a thumbs forward grip and the position of the right thumb (this is mostly a right hand problem) in relation to the slide stop. For some reason, the P250 seems to be even more sensitive about it, or at least mine is. If you dont keep your right thumb away from the gun and off onto the top of your left thumbs knuckle, the slide will go home on an empty mag on an intermittent to pretty regular basis, depending on your grip.
     
  24. Strahley

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    Same as I do any other pistol...my right hand thumb was in the groove, left hand thumb under it. However, my grip couldn't have been the problem

    I took one of the fresh magazines out of the box, put it in the gun, racked the slide, and it locked just fine. I took the mag out, put 15 rounds in it, let it sit for about 5 minutes, then removed the rounds from the magazine (manually, not shooting), put the magazine back in, and racked the slide again. It would no longer catch the slide. Did this on three different magazines (one that came with the gun, one from MidwayUSA, and one from SIG customer service)

    I'm guessing the magazine springs were all crap. Maybe they need striffer springs?
     
  25. AK103K

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    That is a new one. Maybe it is a bad batch, although three mags from three different sources seems a bit odd. Maybe the slide stop needs looking at too. I know mines pretty sensitive, and sometimes if you give the gun a sharp rap on the bottom of the mag well without a mag in the gun, it will close. Does it occasionally on a reload too, but the gun was always loaded afterwords.

    I just unloaded three of mine that have been loaded for about 8 months now, and they all locked back OK when I drew the slide back.

    One other thing it could be, especially if your just fooling around with an empty mag, your trigger finger can also be an issue since the P250 has the ambi slide stop. If your keeping it high along side the side of the pistol, just under the slide as your your working the slide, if its touching the slide stop on the right side at all, the slide wont stay back. I've noticed this with mine.

    With all of them though, most of the time when you hear the mag not locking back while shooting, its usually shooter generated, even when they think it isnt. This is especially true with 1911 shooters. I had a hell of a time with it when I first switched over to shooting them until someone showed me what was going on. I swore I wasnt touching the stop, but apparently I was. Still happens on occasion, and its usually the P250 when it does, but my one P6 does it more than the others too. At one point I was thinking of filing them all off since I dont use them anyway. Still might. :)
     
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