Sig P290, Kimber Solo, and Ruger LC9

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by gohogs93, Jan 17, 2011.

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  1. gohogs93

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    Of all the new subcompact 9mms announced for the new year (those are at least the 3 I've heard of) which excites you the most and why? Or do you think they're all too similar and only the brand name stamped on the side is the difference worth mentioning?
     
  2. Gun Geezer

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    The LC9 is the only one that meets all my criteria for all dimensions, weight, sights, and mag capacity. I'll have to see if the trigger is any good.
     
  3. FreeJersey

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    Still like the Kahr PM9 better.
     
  4. Mags

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    I love statements like this:
    The fella hasn't even touched any of the guns mentioned let alone fired them but he likes the Kahr better. What an informed well thought out post.

    I am excited about the LC9 myself I am curious if it will shoot beter than the LCP though. Haven't heard about the Kimber but I would like to see what it looks like at least.
     
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  5. rellascout

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    Kimber Solo 9mm SA striker fired guns with a manual safety. Alum frame with Steel slide. MSRP $725.00

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    SPECIFICATIONS

    * Caliber: 9 mm
    * Height (inches): 3.9
    * Weight (ounces) with empty magazine: 17
    * Length (inches): 5.5
    * Magazine capacity: 6

    FRAME

    * Material: Aluminum
    * Finish: Black Kimpro II
    * Width (inches): 1.2

    SLIDE

    * Material: Stainless steel
    * Finish: Satin Silver

    BARREL

    * Length (inches): 2.7
    * Material: Stainless Steel
    * Twist rate: 1:10

    SIGHTS

    * Fixed 3-dot (white) low profile
    * Radius (inches): 4.4

    GRIPS

    * Black synthetic
    * Checkered/smooth

    TRIGGER

    * Single action striker-fired
    * Factory setting (appx. pounds): 7.0


    Great link for more info: http://www.kimber1911pistols.com/blog/kimber-solo-carry-photos/

    Ruger LCR9 DAO Polymer frame similar to the LCP. Also has a manual safety which IMHO is not needed. (Hope the trigger is better than the LCP.) Nice 3 dot sights which are a big improvement over the LCP. Wins the capacity battle with the standard mag. MSRP $443

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    All Models:
    Caliber: 9mm Luger
    Capacity: 7+1
    Sights: Adjustable 3-Dot
    Barrel Material: Alloy Steel
    Barrel Finish Blued
    Slide Material Through-Hardened Alloy Steel
    Slide Finish Blued
    Grip Frame Black, High Performance, Glass-Filled Nylon

    Barrel Length 3.12"
    Width: .90"
    Height: 4.50"
    Weight: 17.10

    Great link for more info: http://www.ruger.com/products/lc9/features.html

    Sig P290 Polymer. DAO with 3 dots sights and external hammer. Trigger has to be better than the P250 to sell well IMHO. Extend mags get this one to 8+1. I have not seen pictures of this extended mag and with Sigs recent history you can bet they will be pricey. This is not your father Sig Sauer. They need a win after the P250 disappointed so many of the faithful. MSRP $758.

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    Caliber 9mm
    Action Type DAO
    Trigger Pull DAO N/A
    Overall Length 5.5 in
    Overall Height 3.9 in
    Overall Width 0.9 (1.1 in with slide catch lever)
    Barrel Length 2.9 in
    Sight Radius 4.3 in
    Weight w/Mag 20.5 oz
    Mag Capacity 6 - 8 Rounds
    Sights SIGLITE® or Contrast Sights
    Frame Material Black Polymer w/removable plates
    Frame Finish Black polymer
    Slide Finish Nitron® or natural stainless
    Accessory Rail Built-in for optional laser
    Options Customizable grip plates, mini laser

    Link for more info: http://www.sigsauer.com/products/ShowCatalogProductDetails.aspx?categoryid=70&productid=307

    I think that the price point of the P290 is going to kill its opening. Even the Sig devout think it is too high. Reminds me of the P250 selling at $650+ when it first came out. They now sell for $400 give or take. At that price point it has to do everything right to be a sucess. Sigs newest products have not done well out of the gate. I will have to wait until to see what people say once the gun is in hand.

    The Kimber is unique in that it is SA striker fired pistol. It is again a pricey gun and will be the first non-1911 offered from Kimber. I am interest by the concept but it seems to thick in the slide. IMHO it will not be a pocket gun unless that safety is very secure. Tensioned striker in the pocket does not seem like a good ideal to me. YMMV :what:

    The Ruger will sell based on its price point and the sucess of the LCP. I do not like the safety or the chamber loaded indicator. I know some love them and some, CA, need them but they are not necessary IMHO on a DAO with a heavy DAo trigger. It will be a Ruger so it will be over engineered and should hold up well. Ruger is another company who has had trouble with teething problems from their new designs. It is another wait and see. I know of one reviewer who go a defective pistol which Ruger was unable to diagnose the problem on.

    I love that all 3 have "real sights". They are not the trench sights of the LCP or Colt agent. You might actually be able to shoot these at 15 yards. I am disappointed that on a pocket/deep carry gun none of these are coming with at least a front tritium dot. I would love to see a bar dot night sight setup on these guns. LOL In the end it is a wait and see game. I think the Sig could be the winner of the bunch in terms of performance as a pocket gun but its street price has to be south of $500 IMHO. The more I look at the Ruger the more I think it will be the winner. Its price point will move a lot of metal. Still I think none of them on paper outshine the Kahr PM9/MK9.
     
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  6. Fargazer

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    I think the LC9 would make a nice purse gun for my wife; when it arrives at a nearby gun store I'll need to have my wife handle it. She has a SR9c that she loves, but she wants something a bit smaller and lighter to keep in a new concealed carry purse.

    I'm looking for a small 9mm to use either as backup, or for times when a larger gun is harder to conceal.
    • The Kimber looks very well put together, but the safety is a concern. I'd have to particular note in my training to thumb it off in a CCW situation.
    • The Sig doesn't have a safety, but I have concerns of quality control on their newer guns.
    Of the Kimber and Sig, it's going to boil down to "feel in the hand" and how well they shoot - that assumes I'm willing to take a $500+ flyer on a first generation design.

    The LC9's a bit different; it's inexpensive enough that if my wife likes the feel, we'll probably get one and try it out.
     
  7. rellascout

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    I have the same concerns about Ruger. They do take care of their mistakes but the LCP and SR9 both were recalled right out of the gate.
     
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    I like my PM9 and see no reason to switch unless the others prove to be as reliable over the long haul. The Kimber is out altogether as I will never own another Kimber product based upon my personal experiences with their 1911's. The LC9 has too much crap on it, that is one ugly LCI on it. The Sig probably stands the best chance, but the Kahr is lighter.
     
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    Haven't handled the Sig yet, but I believe that all three will capture their share of the market. Of the other two, Ruger LC9 & Kimber Solo...Ruger feels ok, will sell very well on price, but I really like the Kimber on fit, feel, and "pocketability"...Kimber has done it again...Homerun...probably by all three...can't wait to see the Sig, but I know I'll get the Kimber...
     
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    I am most interested in the SIG, but it really depends on the trigger whether I will spring for one. The Kimber scares me, Ruger makes good revolvers and Kahr needs another vowel, maybe a lower price too.
     
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    For me, it's about consealment, if these new mini-9's aren't at least as small as the Kahr PM9, then I'm really not interested. LM
     
  12. DasFriek

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    I own a Kahr MK9 that i just love, But that doesn't mean ill not look at other girls.
    I dont care for the Ruger personally, Too large is one reason.
    The Sig P290 looks about right size wise but id have to hold it to see how it feels.
    The Kimber Solo looks the best to me,Small,slim and all rounded edges make for a great ccw.
    My thing is i only carry a micro 9mm for a bug and range gun, So my priority in buying something else in this line may be hard for me to break down and do.
    I WONT trade the MK9 or sell it for any of those guns listed also.
     
  13. outerlimit

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    That Kimber may change my opinion of the company if it turns out to be as good as it looks. Sounds like it will be striker fired like the Kahr guns, which means it should have a fairly decent trigger. I'm assuming that it will have a safety like the Kahrs in which the trigger will have to be pulled in order for the fp to strike the primer.

    I see no viable purpose for the frame safety at all. And that might be the only reason I don't buy one. Very interesting guns, all in all I don't see any Kahr killer though. The Ruger has the best chance because of the price point, but it is a bit larger and not really a pocket gun like the MK/PM series can be.

    I'm sure I'll continue to dislike Kimber's Series II 1911's though. :cuss:
     
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    Solo and LC9 both look promising to me, but don't like a safety, maybe it's not needed. The grip looks too short on the P290.
     
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    I'm looking forward to getting my hands on a LC9 and P290 to give them a whirl.

    Like others I don't like that they added a safety to the LC9, but i guess it's something that we will have to live with.

    The P290 looks promising, but the weight really isn't going to make it much of a pocket gun.

    Probably the gun that I will actually carry will be the Kahr CM9, always like the PM9 size but hated the price tag. The CM9 at $400-450 will be a great pocket gun.
     
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    There is plenty of room in this niche hence it is worth chasing when the marketing department does the gap analysis.

    Likely all these rigs will experience their recalls, rebuilds, fluff and buff jobs and specific happy camper ammunition. You just have to find one you like and work through the demons until it is right.

    The Ruger is priced right, so like the LCP it will do well. I like the looks of the Sig, but it is a brick.

    If you can't put these in your pocket you may as well carry a M&P, Glock, Walther or HK compact.

    Or.

    You can just get a Kahr PM9. :rolleyes: Which went through all the trials a tribulations 5 years ago. Put any of the specs on any of the above against the PM9. No one has out Kahred Kahr at their price point.

    Caliber: 9mm
    Capacity: 6+1, 7+1 (magazine with grip extension)
    Operation: Trigger cocking DAO; lock breech; "Browning - type" recoil lug; passive striker block; no magazine disconnect
    Barrel: 3.0", polygonal rifling; 1 - 10 right-hand twist
    Length O/A: 5.3"
    Height: 4.0"
    Slide Width: .90"
    Weight: Pistol 14 ounces, Magazine 1.9 ounces
    Grips: Textured polymer
    Sights: Drift adjustable, white bar-dot combat sights
    Finish: Black polymer frame, matte stainless steel slide
    Magazines: 1 each: 6 rd flush floorplate & 7 rd extended grip

    Night sights are available.
     
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    Kahr CM9, yes thats CM. I believe to be a PM9 with the CW9 cost cutting. MSRP hopefully $550ish. Ruger and Sig both have had recall issues with recent pistols. Ruger's LC9 is for all intents and purposes following the path they took with the LCP, PF9/11 what??? Kimber's street pricing is north of $700. My dealer told me the Sig is going to come in about the same. The Kahr is the proven entity if its is in fact based off of the PM9 and thats where I'll be looking.
     
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    I like my PM9, but I'll be looking at the Solo.
     
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    According to the Kimber SOLO faq:
    I read the link to the Kimber Solo review on the Sig forum, and noticed the reviewer purchased it, disassembled then reassembled the pistol, ran UMC, PMC, and WWB through it, then returned it all in the same day. I see a couple possibilities:
    • The problems may come from not running several magazines of hotter ammo through it first for break in; only the WWB might be on the ammo list Kimber supplies in the FAQ. Most of the issues could be explained by a too strong recoil spring, or one that had not been broken in yet.
    • It's possible the reviewer may not have install the slide stop correctly, or possibly put too much lubricant in the wrong spot. This is a completely new design, and the manufacturer felt the slide stop and lube around the firing pin were important enough to explicitly mention it.
    • That's a whole lot of activity for a single day; it sounds like the reviewer may have been rushed, or was fighting buyer's remorse.
    I'm going to take the Sig forum posting with a grain of salt - perhaps my points above are valid, perhaps not. When my SOLO comes in, I'll make particular pains about the slide stop, and run 50 rounds of Remington 147 Golden Saber (which is on the Kimber recommended list) before trying anything else. We'll see what happens; even if it does malfunction, I'll contact Kimber first and work with them before bailing out of the gun.
     
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    The LC9 has a stiff slide spring. I played with one some in the gun store and was a little underwhelmed with the tooling quality. I have not fired one yet, but have read the spring has caused some problems with feed. I am however impressed with the Bersa Pro UC 9mm. Has anyone had experience with it?
     
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    I'll be anxiously awaiting the new Kahr CM9, the new budget version of the PM9. Based on my perfect performance of my CW9, I am sure the CM9 will be a real winner!
     
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    Kimber can't get the guns they make now right... I think I'll pass on their attempt at a pocket gun.

    Sig makes good stuff, just not my style. If I had to pick one, I'd take the LC9.
     
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    Are you talking about the SR9c? I didn't think the LC9 was available in stores until February.
     
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    "am most interested in the SIG, but it really depends on the trigger whether I will spring for one."

    There's a rant going on this morning at sigforum - the trigger pull is listed in the catalog.

    http://sigforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/430601935/m/9250038732

    => 9 pounds.
     
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