Sig P320 self shooters

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  1. brutus51

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    Old article. Sig updated the P320's several years ago now so that it can't happen anymore. But it was for sure a black eye for the 320's for a while. Not sure how the case mentioned ever turned out.
     
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    I do know a number of the instances turned out the be the LEO playing with his gun, but there were a few that seemed to be the gun's fault. I would like to also hear how they turned out, but it would seem mostly likely settled out of court. Since I think that's how these things usually end up.
     
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    Yeah, first thing I did was check the date on the article, June of 2018.
     
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    My bad, it popped up on MSN this morning and I didn't look at the date.
     
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    And maybe it popped up again so MSN could spread a little more negativity about guns.
     
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    This was on my thread, it’s a second officer that has her 320 go off without being touched. And before the Sig FanBoi’s poo poo it, there is camera footage of her walking and not touching her gun and it going off in her holster.

    https://www.wcvb.com/article/second-somerville-police-officer-sues-gunmaker-sig-sauer-in-federal-court/39854801


    I treat this like UAPs, you cant call all of them swamp gas or mis identified weather balloons. And if only a fraction are true, then we have a problem.
     
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    I suspect that what prompted the renewed interest were more recent incidents and announcement of a class action settlement. https://www.sigsauer.com/hartley There is no such thing as a mechanism that functions as intended every time. That is especially true of humans. Although MSM invites us to jump to their conclusion and creates entertainment through the comments on blogs and stories, nobody has all the facts or has been qualified as an expert by the court. It is interesting that unintended discharges seem to be clustered around Somerville MA, but it is in everyone's interest to get to the bottom of it.
     
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    My interest in the everyday carry of firearms with pre-energized firing systems is on a continuous decline. My long guns are 99% condition three, and handguns have the hammer or striker fully de-cocked (sorry 1911, other SAO, and most striker fans).
     
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    the problem with the news story link is it didn't show the video that suppose to show it happening. A attorney said they have it but it is not like attorneys never lie.
     
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    What, they never lie especially on the internet. o_O
     
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    I mean if you think everyone lies then whatever. Like I said, Sig Fan Boi’s will sling poo and call fake news all day long. Just because you didn’t personally see it doesn’t mean it’s not true. It ain’t like it’s Bigfoot! LOL
     
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    You've seen this?
     
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    I haven’t. Nor I have seen a platypus, but I use logic to deduct they are real. But then I have had the COVID vaccine and didn’t know what was in it either, so I must be very gullible in some circles.

    I have seen footage of other Sig 320s going off in LEOs holsters. So I’m not doubting this. It’s a known problem that had a band aid put on it and now it’s biting Sig and it’s Fan Boil’s in the ass.

    And I don’t understand the defense some have taken for Sig. If there is a problem, and most be there is due to pass events and actions taken by Sig, then as gun owners we should the first in line demanding Sig to correct it.
     
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    Some of you guys are really late to the party. We have one lawyer who's decided to go ahead a class-action lawsuit against SIG for alleged P-320 unintended discharges. Yes, a judge just ruled this lawsuit can go ahead, even with the dubious "evidence" thus far provided. There are two law enforcement officers as the client of the lawyer. Most observers think this is residual "legal momentum" carried over from the previous lawsuits, almost all proven frivolous. Yes, SIG settled one. Yes, SIG did go forward with a somewhat bumpy "recall" but every P-320 owner was provided the opportunity to return their pistols to SIG for a fix. Unsold guns were sent back to SIG and upgraded. The technical fix was made, and in the last couple of years, there have been seemingly no issues with the over one million 320s in civilian hands and all of the pistols already provided to the military.

    Here's what I said in the other thread (Legal), now closed:
    Note that two of the OP's links are about the same proposed lawsuit, one
    https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2022/03/08/sig-sauer-lawsuit-p320/#:~:text=SIG Sauer Files Lawsuit Alleging P320 Misrepresentations By Attorney,-Posted March 8&text=SIG Sauer filed a lawsuit,internals of the P320 pistol.
    is SIG filing suit against an attorney who previously represented a plaintiff in one of the P-320 lawsuits.

    From TTAG's investigation last year into the "facts" alleged in some of the suits:

    Not much detail is provided in any of those other claimed incidents, but a few stand out. For instance there’s Lieutenant Thomas Ahern who was was “performing a routine function (test) of his P320 when it fired at him without any force towards the trigger, resulting in the bullet impacting his left thigh.”

    Who function tests their firearm 1) with a round in the chamber, and 2) when it’s pointed at an extremity?

    And then there’s Gunter Walker, a civilian, who says his P320 fired on its own “when he placed the weapon down on his nightstand, shooting him through the palm of his left hand.”

    Have you ever put a handgun down with your palm in front of the muzzle? Would you?

    There’s also an un-named Texas gun shop manager who says a P320 fired “as he cleared the weapon, blowing off one of his fingers. The weapon was out of battery when it fired.”

    First, clearing a loaded firearm with a finger over the muzzle doesn’t exhibit even cursory adherence to the Four Rules. Second, pardon us if we’re more than a little skeptical that the P320 in question — or any other handgun — fired when it was out of battery.

    Again, these are examples the plaintiff in this case is using to support his claim that the P320 is prone to “un-commanded discharges.”

    Given that the preponderance of these cases are law enforcement officers, my strong suspicion is, having read through thirty-some allegations, that it's likely these were mostly, or all, negligent discharges where the officers involved were attempting to avoid reprimand, suspension, discipline or termination.

    I was personally familiar with an ND by an officer caused by the officer, who was wearing an unauthorized shell jacket underneath his issued jacket -- the plastic toggle from the waist drawstring fell into his Safariland duty holster as he was going on watch, and when he holstered his pistol, somehow the plastic toggle of course went into the trigger guard and pulled the trigger as he inserted the pistol into the holster. In the past eighteen years, every single ND I became familiar with (in my area) was proven to have been caused by the officer having his/her finger on the trigger, either when holstering or using a clearing barrel.

    So to the OP, I would say that it appears SIG fixed the pistols' problems, and perhaps, the new lawsuits might just be cases of lawyers familiar with the issue going after the low-hanging fruit and/or people trying to avoid being held accountable for NDs. I like my 320s (haven't dropped either of 'em, though)...
     
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