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Sig P365 9MM - First Range Trip

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  1. Walkalong

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    I looked it up on Youtube. Looks like you just have to remove the pin in back. (1 minute in)

     
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    Thank you, I get it now. On this type of gun Sig calls the housing for the fire control group "the frame" and serializes it. I guess since it is removable from the ploymer. The frame on most handguns is what they call the grip. Same "Modular" setup as the P320 I guess.

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    Well, the P320 has a tab that the fire control group slots into at the back of the frame module. The fire control group is held in by the takedown lever. So it can be taken down with strong thumbs and no tools. Gosh I like my P320. So it's marginally simpler than taking apart a P365, but not so much so that the end user couldn't easily replace a P365 frame assuming the pin holding the FCG to the frame isn't super wonky.

    I'd really like a 4" P365 the size of a G19, but I don't think Sig will want to cut into its P320 market, and the P320 Compact is basically that.
     
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    Just handled a P365 about a half hour ago. It's very wee. The bottom rear edge of the grip really felt like it would dig into my palm pretty bad.

    My hands are really boney. Not sure it'll work for me. I'm going to have to rent one before buying.
     
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    I thought that at first from just holding it, but I don't seem to notice it when I shoot mine.
     
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    That's what I'm curious about. A gun can feel really different when firing than when you're paying attention to the minutia of how it feels when handling it.

    I just want to shoot one first. The extended mag would undoubtedly help too.

    Pretty blown away by the size to capacity ratio. Nifty gun.
     
  7. Walkalong

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    Yea, seems to shoot "bigger" than it is.
     
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    When they become more easily found, if I haven't found one for rent, I may perform a $500 experiment. Shouldn't have a problem offloading it if it doesn't work out.

    Oddly enough, I tried on a P938 with an extended magazine and it suited me pretty well.
     
  9. Walkalong

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    That's what I did, based on what I read and what I saw at Academy.
     
  10. Walkalong

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    As per the video I linked to earlier in the thread, the P-365 is a piece of cake to strip down for cleaning. Pull the slide, pop out the recoil spring assembly, pop out the barrel, push the back pin out and pop out the "frame"/fire control group and blast it all with your favorite gun cleaner/stripper (I use B12-Chemtool.), then re-lube.

    All taken down. Sawdust on the grip is from the chainsaw. :)
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    It doesn't get much easier than this gun to strip, clean, and re-lube.
     

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    You use a chainsaw to take down your P365??? Wow, that is a new method to me! I may have to try that someday!!! :rofl:
     
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    The three basic food groups according to Sig.
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  13. someguy2800

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    Man I want to know where Sig gets their Xerox machines!

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    Seriously though I think this is great. They took a LC9s pro, which is a great pistol albeit cheaply made, tweaked it into a higher quality gun and gave it 3 more rounds. I will definitely be getting one. I was curious how the fire control group worked but I didn't take the slide off at the store as some counter people get upset when you do that.
     
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    Curious, is there a firing pin block in there? I can't see one on the underside of the slide. I wonder how they made it drop safe?
     
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    I took the plunge today. I called every LGS in my area yesterday, and they had none and had no idea when one would come in, but one offered to put me on a wait list. I would have been number 151 with them expecting me to get it by Thanksgiving. I found it at Cabela's this afternoon. At $529 it's $30 higher than what my LGS' were quoting (whenever they came in), but lower than what they're going for on Gunbroker. For those who are looking for one, I ordered it on their web site with them shipping it to the store in my area. I'll have it by the end of the month. They have a limited stock and expect them to go quick.
     
  16. Walkalong

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    Yes.

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    Has anyone run any ammo over a chrono? I would be curious since the barrel is fairly short what velocities folks are getting. This is definitely on my short list of next guns to get and I could easily see it replacing my Glocks..............
     
  18. Walkalong

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    See Page 1.
     
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    Thanks!
     
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    I have more revolvers than pistols, and all my center fired pistols were 1911 until recently. I recently purchased a G30s and am happy with it, but I will have to get use to the grip. This may be my first 9, since the 1911 and G30s are sometimes a challenge to conceal. By the way I always have a NAA Black Widow with me.
     
  21. Walkalong

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    Went to the range today and sighted in a scope on a 300 BLK. Scope did well, load sucked. I changed four things so I have no clue what to blame it on. *Sigh*

    Anyway, after that I ran 100+ mixed rounds through the P-365. Same stuff I used on the first range trip. I shot it starting with one in the chamber and ten in the mag this time, both one handed and two handed.

    Some of the rounds are a light plated plinker load that usually gives about 1050ish from my 5" 1911 The last time I loaded some I switched to a S&B primer without testing, and I should have bumped up the powder .1 Gr. *Sigh* I know better. (Or do I? Double Sigh) It usually ejects 100% from my 1911 and lands a foot or so to the right, but with the S&B primer they occasionally don't make it out of the gun. (It did an Avg 920 from the P-365 on the first range trip).

    With that ammo and a soft one handed hold I was able to induce the slide to fail to lock back one time today. Ejection was fine. Was it the gun? Was it the soft load shot with a soft one handed hold? Dunno.

    It never failed to lock back with full power stuff, even trying to make it fail with a soft hold.

    It is easy to shoot well without my glasses, which is a great big plus IMHO. :)

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    I have the LC9s, and will say it has held up well with thousands of rounds down range although a snappy gun. Reliability was never a issue." I later moved on to a Mico 9mm that suites me more". I have shot the Sig 365 and do think they are very similar in shooting characteristics.(the Sig a little less snappy) However one of the concerns I had with the Sig is the very narrow grip to receiver space and it did prove somewhat problematic. My thumb on my off hand would almost ride the receiver and had to be very careful in the placement. And it would just not work for me wearing glove. Some of the others that test fired the gun felt the same. The Sig only had 4 failures out of the 1,000 rounds we fired, and we all felt they were user error and not the gun.(riding the slide) We also warned all shooters to be careful of hand placement near the receiver before shooting.
    Looking at your Picture of the shows the narrow grip to reciever very well. If shooting thousands of rounds down range with the Ruger with no major problems as far as the pistol holding up then, I am not sure now is the time to tell which gun is actually better made. Yes, the Sig is all Stainless Steel which does indicate a better made gun. I want to see how well this gun does down the road with a substantial amount of ammo shot through it. My guess is, it will hold up fine. The Ruger in comparison might be a better purchase for some shooters. Both need to be handled and taken to the range to make that decision. (Also, personally do not like the hunky take down lever as your picture shows. It seems Sig could have come up with a better design)
    I will be interested to see if Sig does modify the grip down the road as well. The gun overall seemed like a well made gun and reliable Also, I have seen a few articles that the Sig might actually come out with a modular grip like the 320. That would be interesting and maybe worth waiting for.
    By the way, I do appreciate your pictures. And Pictures do make great for comparing firearms especially when actually broken down for inspection.
     
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    When I played with one I don’t recall if my thumb rode the slide lock or not. From the number of complaints I see of people riding the slide lock perhaps there is an opportunity for someone to make an aftermarket low profile slide lock lever
     
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    I decided to take a couple of .32s out to the range this AM before it got super hot (Been running in the upper 90s lately, last time out was over 100). Of course I brought along the P-365 to run a few rounds through. I have shot it a lot, both at close range and 35 plus yards at empty water bottles etc on the berm, but wanted to shoot some steel plates today.
    I threw the .32s some ammo, earmuffs etc in my little Explorer range bag, and put the P-365 in a little bag that is perfect for it.

    I shot the plates (Plate rack was 20paces away, with a couple of individual plates closer on the ground and a couple farther out) with a Beretta 81 and a Taurus PT132 for a couple of mags each with good success, then switched over to the P-365.

    I used 1X reading glasses for the .32s, but did not use them for the P-365 since the bad guys are not going to let me have a time out to get them on. There is a good little gap of light on both sides of the front sight when centered in the rear sight which is awesome for old eyes and I had no trouble getting on target. I shot the plates with some plinker loads and then some full power loads and while it wasn't fast (slow) by IDPA standards I kept a pretty good pace and hits were easy with very few misses. Fewer than with the .32s despite a quicker pace and no glasses. I was very pleased with the results. I have lots of practice to do with it, but it was a good start and very encouraging. I still need to set up my new full size IDPA silhouette plate and work on drawing and firing. It's ready, I just haven't made the time to do it.

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    Copied from the other thread. First range trip after installing the new style striker with no modification to the slide.

    Took it out to the range today after work. Ran 50 rounds of factory 95 Gr JSPs (Average 1155 FPS recently) through it to start.

    Had two failures to lock back after the last round.

    Then I ran three mags full of my 124 gr plated Plinker load that averaged 920 FPS recently. (75 Degrees 35% RH)

    Then I ran three of mags full of "full power" 124 Gr JHPs that averaged 1025 FPS recently. (75 Degrees 35% RH)

    Then I ran two mags full of my 90 Gr JHPs that averaged 1268 FPS recently. (75 Degrees 35% RH)

    Then I shot all I had with me of my 125 Gr JSPs that averaged 1110 FPS recently. (Too hot, need to back off)(75 Degrees 35% RH)

    A little over 150 more rounds of my reloads for a bit over 200 rounds fired. No failures of any kind with the reloads.

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