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    I knew I hadn’t picked up a P365 for a reason. If this is to be it looks like a better fit for my desires in a carry weapon. Longer slide, slightly taller grip, and milled for RMSc. Looks to have more room to place ones hand to avoid riding the slide. Longer slides are easier to conceal, and it looks like the grip will be easy to conceal if the comparison picture is accurate.

    I’ll be picking one of these up more than likely, as it addresses some of my perceived faults for myself.

    https://www.osagecountyguns.com/blog/news/sig-sauer/new-sig-sauer-p365-xl/

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    Seems like if it's made much bigger it defeats the purpose, lots of larger 9mm's out there.
     
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    Looks like optimal size. Will have to check this one out.
     
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    Yes and no. Cant forget us folks who are limited to 10 rounds. This is very appealing. There's approx 80 million folks living in 10 round states (if I got all the restricted states right). That's 1/4 of the US population. So guns like this and the Glock 43x or 48 make sense for us. Hitting capacity limit in a concealable package that shoots like a full size gun.
     
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    Oh my...........
     
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    I was shooting my P365 just a couple days ago and was thinking, since it is such a nice shooter for a small gun a larger version would be interesting.

    I feel for you but don't want to see guns designed based on that restriction.
     
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    Just saw this last night. Very interesting as when I initially checked out the P365 I thought it was just a tad too small (which is very unusual for me to say as I have rather small hands as it is). Like the idea of having a slightly longer slide while the grip frame remains pretty much the same size. Will definitely check this one out once it hits the dealer's shelves!
     
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    To nit pic, I'd rather they used a 3.5" barrel vs 3.7. But an optics ready 365ish pistol? Nice......
     
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    I think that is the real draw for this version.
     
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    I’m hoping the size comes in between a P365 and Glock 19 in size, more closer to the P365 with the same thinness. If they hit a sweet spot in size with a longer barrel and optics ready it’ll sell a lot. I too thought the P365 was just a tad too small, for my liking.

    What’s the reasoning behind the difference of 0.2”, just curious? Agree on the second point, it’s a good feature to have nowadays.
     
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    Hey that's a pretty neat version. I think I'd probably still go for the smaller one, but it's a nice option.

    I like my small carry guns small, but this will definitely fill a niche for a lot of folks. This is more or less a repeat of how SA released the XDs 3.3, and then came out with a 4.0 a little later. This is a much faster progression though.
     
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    Now that looks tempting, I hadn’t seen that version til just now. Milled slide, longer barrel, still very concealable, tempting indeed!
     
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    Just seems long for the grip, never have liked the chopped grip long barrel guns. Some love them though. One of the things I like about the standard P-365 is the short length. As far as velocity is concerned I am OK with the 3.1" barrel, so even an upgrade to 3.5 is a plus to me.

    Nothing you can hang your hat on, just personal preference.
     
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    And I might get one and love the thing at 3.7. :)

    It won't be as concealable as the standard, and lose some of that appeal for some, me included, but for us old guys with poor eyes the frame mounted optics ready with today's red dot choices is huge IMHO. They will sell big I imagine. I'll likely get one when I get my pennies saved up.

    One of the things I love about the standard 365 are the sights and my ability to shoot it very well with no readers on. Optics would increase that though.
     
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    It depends on where it falls on size for me. If it's as slim as the P365, and they didn't go too long with the grip then it would be a winner in my book. I think a G43x with a shorter grip and 12 capacity would be about as ideal as one could hope for right now. And that seems like where the P365XL could end up if the specifications hold true like I listed below. This would be my ideal size for a concealed carry piece.

    I love my CZ PCR, but shedding some weight and thickness and only giving up 2 rounds would be a good compromise. Don't know if it would fully replace my CZ but it would give me a good option; although I do prefer SA/DA for carry.

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    I am curious to see the firing pin design. a breakdown video should be on youtube soon. I see a different trigger design, also.

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    Yea, wonder about the trigger pull in general, and why they went with a flat trigger, function, or because it has become popular with some gamers.

    I could always wait until they came out with an XLS (XL Short)
     
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    Looks pretty cool to me.
     
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    The flat trigger and beavertail makes it sort of resemble the P320 x series, especially the xcompact and xcarry
     
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    I've tried the flat trigger on the 320 and, of course, on the P-226 Legion SAO -- for me, it's a winner. Buddy just put the Grayguns flat trigger on his 365; supposedly its purpose is to give your finger a lower position on the trigger (better leverage so more consistent pull) and I didn't really notice that, only that the pull was, not unexpectedly, really nice. Armory Craft has also got a version, SIG has their own factory flat trigger ($49.95) but it's been out of stock forever, and so does Apex, but the Grayguns model is literally, drop-in. Of course, I'm a huge fan of Bruce Gray's stuff.

    So, anyway, as a THR Resident SIG-Sauer Fan Boy, I'm in …
     
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    Preordered one through Sportsmans Outdoor Superstore, will see how it is when it comes in (now to find money I don't have, J/K but really wasn't planning on a gun purchase right now). Hopefully, all the kinks that got worked out with the P365 are remedied on the XL.

    It seems like the perfect size, night sights and milled slide and it'll be about 1/4" thinner, 7 oz. lighter shorter in length and height with only a 2 round penalty over my CZ PCR.
     
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    In my opinion, the only obvious advantage to the P365 XL is the longer sight radius that is a byproduct of the longer barrel. The 12-round capacity is actually a step backward. It deprives the owner of the option to choose easier concealability with the 10-round flush magazine. The milled slide only matters if you want a red dot sight. The longer beaver tail could matter if you are prone to slide bite. I have no opinion either way about the flat trigger.

    Yesterday, I had an opportunity to rent a barely fired P365 at my preferred LGS and range:
    • The 10-round magazine with the extended floor plate provides just enough room for three fingers. (I need 2¼" below the trigger guard.) If someone needs more, there is the 12-round magazine.
    • When I pulled the trigger slowly, I could feel two hitches during take up followed by a clean break with negligible overtravel. It's easy to stage the trigger. When pulled through in one motion, the best word to describe the feel is "crunchy." According to one of the range staff who owns a P365, the crunchiness diminishes as the gun breaks in. In any case, it didn't affect my shooting. In my opinion, it's a better trigger than the S&W Shield's.
    • Recoil with Remington standard pressure 115 grain FMJ practice ammunition was stout but definitely not painful. On the other hand, I'm not sure I want to try 147 grain bullets or +P.
    • The closest I came to a malfunction was an occasional failure to go into battery when I dropped the slide on a fresh magazine using the slingshot method. This occurred only when I wasn't careful to pull the slide all the way back. (I prefer to use the slide release but it was very tight on this new gun.)
    • Although I like the P365 overall, I have a serious complaint about its magazine release button. Either someone at Sig has a problem with inadvertently dropping magazines or they have been listening to complaints from owners who do. The result is a button that is so well protected that I can't drop the magazine with my dominant hand's thumb. I had to poke it with the end of my support hand's thumb. (I never have this problem with the buttons on my 1911 or M&P nor do I drop their magazines inadvertently.)
     
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    May I interest you in a Glock 17L, sir? It should positively disappear! :D
     
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    Here is my pros and cons:

    Slightly bigger than the P365
    • PRO: some reports of not enough real estate on the P365 to avoid riding the slide with thumbs
    • PRO: persons with bigger hands
    • PRO: many only run with 12 round mags, making the 10 rounders sit on the shelf, I would be one of those persons
    • PRO: much of the size difference is in the slide length, which is the easiest dimension (at least for me) to conceal
    • PRO: heavier, better control of recoil
    • CON: less concealable
    • CON: heavier

    Longer Slide and Barrel
    • PRO: more leverage and weight to combat recoil rise
    • PRO: more sight radius
    • PRO: marginally better FPS
    • CON: slower draw to clear the length
    • CON: heavier
    • CON: more slide length could lead to issues with concealment/comfortability

    Milled Slide
    • PRO: allows for faster acquisition times
    • PRO: accuracy?
    • PRO: don't have to pay someone to mill one's slide
    • PRO: aging eyes can take advantage of the reflex sight
    • PRO: new shooters can take advantage of the intuitiveness of reflex sights
    • CON: rear sight part of the slide cover, aftermarket rear sights will be more expensive and limited
    • CON: cost of purchasing an reflex sight
    • CON: electronics can fail, battery, sight damage

    Price

    • PRO: Same MSRP as the Sig P365 (oddly enough) with a milled slide
    • CON: will be more expensive than the P365 initially, maybe forever?

    I look at this as a test for myself to see if it can overtake my CZ PCR as my carry weapon to alleviate some weight, thickness and overall size. If it proves itself out I can see myself getting a P365 for my wife, or maybe another P365XL if she prefers the larger size.
     
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    Again the same idiocy with the iron sight being a part of the milled area, so you cannot have both irons and optic (unless you can use a DeltaPoint Pro with built-in rear sight). Some people just do not get it.
     
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