Sig Sauer p365 Massive Headaches

[pblanc]

SIGs are typically sighted for a so-called "combat", or "drive the dots" sight picture in which the POI lands directly behind the dot on the front sight. If you like the pistol and want to change that, you will need to go with a shorter front sight, taller rear sight, or both. Here is an article describing the numbering system that SIG uses on their sights, how SIG pistols are sighted, and how much shift you might expect with a change in front or rear sight:

http://www.realgunreviews.com/sig-sauer-sight-heights-sight-numbers/

Keep in mind that because the sight radius on the P365 is so short, the change in POI from a change in front or rear sight height is probably going to be significantly greater than the average suggested in the article, which is more aligned with what to expect for the P226 or 229.

 

[Huntolive]

I'm still happy I sold the gun. I just bought for $200 tax included a Taurus g2c new. I still have money left over to buy a new XDS 9 mm with the $300 still left over from the inflated price of the p365. I'm loving life without Sig Sauer. I will never buy anything from them ever. Their customer service we're smart alec jerky kids.

I also like the point that peanut man made about trying primarily one-handed grips just supported with the other hand as if revolver shooting and we'll give that a try as necessar y.

As always thanks for your input gentleman and I wish you good luck. The Op is officially out of this chat.

 

[Walkalong]

SIGs are typically sighted for a so-called "combat", or "drive the dots" sight picture in which the POI lands directly behind the dot on the front sight. If you like the pistol and want to change that,

Agreed, and something I like on a "combat" or "self defense" piece. We are not aiming fine here like a target pistol, we are trying to put a round center of mass quickly.

 

[drband]

From the linked article...


Chances are good, by SIG's sight design, you are probably aiming low and getting low hits. SIG probably sells different sights to change the point of impact, but as they come from the factory, they probably intend you to cover the thing you want to hit with the sight dots.

I'm not a particular fan of that, but I think that's the way they make them.

Agreed, and something I like on a "combat" or "self defense" piece. We are not aiming fine here like a target pistol, we are trying to put a round center of mass quickly.

^^^^This^^^^

I think you'll grow to like the "combat" picture if you realize the likely SD use of this little pistol. It's not a bullseye competition gun.

 

[Fine Figure of a Man]

I think you'll grow to like the "combat" picture if you realize the likely SD use of this little pistol. It's not a bullseye competition gun.

I have guns with that POI. I can tolerate it but don't like it. It's great that SIg offers different sights and I would defiantly change them to get a 6 o'clock POI.

 

[Jeb Stuart]

Since the 365 is a micro 9mm, at what distance would you prefer to have your sights set? I have a Nano, which is also a micro and have experimented with a number of different sights. But there can be a significant change in going from 7 yds-15 yds to longer.
Here is a sight calculator that might shed some insight or light (no pun intended) on measuring a given sight for a particular gun at a specific distance.

https://dawsonprecision.com/sight-calculator/

 

[TN Outlaw]

Well, thankfully I was fully aware this tiny gun was not a bullseye competition gun when I purchased it but I am glad for the reminder.

No, I don't care for the "combat" sighting set-up. There's something in my mind that says "always see what your firing at" but I can understand in a gunfight that it shouldn't hinder the shooter very much if impact is just behind the front sight.

All my handguns have the same POI so it's kind of automatic no matter which gun Im shooting. 99% were set that way from the factory for me and I have a large assortment of carry guns, combat guns, range guns etc so the way I like mine sighted must be pretty common and popular even for SD guns. My little DB9 shoots more of a combat sight in but is very close to all my other guns. Maybe an inch low. I can live with that in a "bad breath" distance gun.

What is going on with my p365 doesn't seem like merely a combat sight in from what little I've shot it. Maybe I will be able to shoot it better as I practice with it. Impacting 3"-4" under my sight will be hard to adjust for but maybe I can. Sorry, but there's no SD gun, bullseye competition pistol, or combat pistol that I would want to impact that much below my sights.

Hopefully with practice or different ammo I can correct this. May have to buy and change to a different sight size. I do like the gun so far other than this.

 

[George P]

No, I don't care for the "combat" sighting set-up. There's something in my mind that says "always see what your firing at" but I can understand in a gunfight that it shouldn't hinder the shooter very much if impact is just behind the front sight

So look at the bad guy's head and your shots will be COM - win-win all around

 

[whatnickname]

Quite a bit of controversy on the P365. I’m a big fan of Sig, but most of mine are the older P229, P226, P230, P239, P220 pistols. All of those models are top notch albeit old technology by today’s standards. More recently I’ve purchased a New P210 Target...a real work of art and a tack driver to boot. I’ve also got a little P238 that makes a nice little deep concealment pistol. It pains me to say it, but Sig has had too many false starts with their polymer frame pistols. First it was the “Oops the dang P320 fires when it’s dropped” problem. Yeah they addressed that issue. Even after they did some of the P320 pistols did some really funky stuff with the slide when it was dry-fired. My dealer offered me a nice discount on that pistol with the promise that all I would have to do is send it back to Sig and they would install a new trigger system at no cost...”No thank you!”. And now there’s all the controversy with the P365. Kind of disheartening. I love my Sigs. I’ll clean your clock on the bullseye pistol range with that P210 Target. The polymer frame Sigs? Sadly, not any time soon for me. They’ve just had to walk too much stuff back with their polymer frame guns IMO. When it comes to polymer frame pistols, I’ll stick with my Glocks, S&W and Springfield XD, depending on application and purpose. I sincerely hope that Sig gets past these problems. What I’ve read about their customer service in this thread is even more troubling.

 

[TN Outlaw]

I will say that after the brief initial firing that I loved the P365 except for the low POI but yesterday I had alot better results. Knowing that I need to mostly cover the bullseye with my sights I had a few mags all within 3" of center.

For me that's not bad for faster paced fire at 7yds. I'm happy with my purchase so far.

0 malfunctions to boot.

 

[HighRoadRover]

Opinions vary a lot, that's for sure. We can say Sig had a noteworthy, replicable problem with the P365's striker, but we don't know how many guns were affected and to what extent Sig's mid-production fixes work. Does it matter? If it does to you, take action!

The action we can take regarding any pistol type we want to have confidence in is to shoot it a bunch and gather data on that particular one and get rid of it if it is a stinker. I won't keep a gun that isn't very reliable (and you have to be honest with yourself about it, and not dismiss issues by wishful thinking) and reasonably accurate.

I have had good luck with... nah, I won't say which brands, it doesn't matter now. And it probably makes sense to hold off on buying a newly designed model in its first year. Just test your choice a lot... but not to the point of exhaustion of the springs or wearing it out. And be of a mind that it might break (not wear out) because even a Korth or a P210 can break and you may need to go to a second gun (professionals should have a backup, I think, and home defense guns can have a good reliable inexpensive 9mm striker fired pistol in backup nearby too). There is always an extra charged revolver around hereabouts.

 

[jonnyc]

If intended for carry, I'm not going to waste my time with a pistol I already have doubts about. I already have confidence in Glock, the 43 to be specific, so the 43X is the gun I'm getting to test for suitability. Might not be the perfect carry gun for me, but at least I already have a reasonable faith in the platform.

 

[George P]

Have you shot one to come to your conclusion, or are you merely assuming the internet banter to be 100% bad news?

 

[Jeb Stuart]

I am a Nano fan. Yet, when the gun first came out there was a issue with the extractor and folks were all over the internet slamming the gun. A article my Massad Ayoob actually did a review of the gun and a study of the actual problems that were of such a low percentage rate. Turns out it was .6 percent return They ended up doing extensive testing to show the gun was reliable with thousands of rounds. Ayoob himself watched them shoot 1,000 rounds with a dirty gun. They tested the gun with 5,000 flawless rounds. Now the gun has been out not for about 7 years. And yet, you will always hear the internet comment. "I had a friend that owned one and he would not shoot 115 grain ammo." The internet crap just seems to linger. I can give testament that I have one that now has over 5,000 rds of flawless shooting other than a few rounds of cheap reloads that give all my 9mm's a light primer strike. And the article also told how a number of issues were simply limp wresting.
Now, I shot with friends at my club the 365 and we put 1,000 rds of flawless shooting of the gun other than some issues with riding the slide, which I myself did. Not the guns fault.

I use to get frustrated with I hear some internet poster slam a good gun. I have leaned that any issue will be grossly over blown. In fact "Mike Packwood, aks Parabellum owner of the Sig Forum which is not for the faint of heart and where no punches are pulled and former owner of theSmith and Wesson forum came right out and said he loved the gun" (Nano)
I suggest the 365 crowd simply laugh at the nonsense that is going on. You know the truth, you know the gun is now totally reliable and just enjoy it and let the internet do what it always does.


http://fmgpublications.ipaperus.com/FMGPublications/GUNS/GUNS0812/?page=50

 

[Walkalong]

I'm sure keeping mine, and my older brother just bought one, not even knowing I had one. (Lives in Chicago)

 

[George P]

I plan on getting another....(The old mantra two is one and on is none)

 

[Fine Figure of a Man]

I’ve had mine for about a week now and so far I’m liking it. About 100 rounds through it all reloaded hollow points no malfunctions. It handles and shoots well for such a small gun. Ample room in the trigger guard unlike some others that I’ve tried. One improvment I’m hoping for is an aftermarket grip that’s either larger or has interchangeable back straps.I’m going to try to get a couple thousand rounds through it in the next month or so.

 

[vba]

Sig re-invented the concept of a tiny gun with a huge capacity. It caught most manufacturers with their pants at their knees. They have patents in place that will cause the competition to be delayed in their copy of Sig's gun.

Glad you said "re-invented", i.e., Keltec P-11 was the first, decades ago. Based on the issues with the P365, real or not, I'm very hesitant to buy one.

Hopefully, any new competition, will not copy the P365. Then perhaps we will have something that works.

 

[Old Dog]

This thread is a perfect example of how, once someone on the internet says there are, or may be, issues with a newly released firearm, that particular piece of internet lore lives on forever and forever ... no matter how many thousands of people rise up to declare the gun reliable and worthy, the denizens of the internet heed only the words of those who have never even become a long-term owner and shooter of that gun.

With that -- I'm gonna go down to one of my LGSs this afternoon and buy my second P-365 (one is none, dontcha know?) at the first-responder pricing ($448 out the door).

 

[jonnyc]

"Have you shot one to come to your conclusion, or are you merely assuming the internet banter to be 100% bad news?"

I've sold and handled at least a couple dozen 365s, and more than a couple have come back with problems. The square grip rotates in my hand more than I am comfortable with. On the other hand, I've sold more G43s and can't recall a single return or customer comment. I own a 43 and am very happy with it, and plan to be even happier with the 43X I have on the way.
Internet chatter sometimes has a basis in fact and truth. Many are happy, and there have been improvements, but I will not trust a 365.

 

[George P]

So, you have never fired one? And what problems were they on those that came back?

 

[Walkalong]

Hopefully, any new competition, will not copy the P365. Then perhaps we will have something that works.

They do work, and work very well. It's obviously not the right answer for everyone of course.

A few bad reports has never scared me off of anything. Documented real issues with a high percentage of a product is different. Some teething pains in a design that has been flawless as far as function for me, fits me great, and I shoot very, very, well, really does not bother me at all. If mine craps out after another 2K plus rounds, so be it, and I'll get it fixed and or buy a later generation one.

 

[jonnyc]

"So, you have never fired one?"

No need! If I'm not happy with the grip what would make you think a firing test would improve anything??? I already like the 43. What would make you think a pistol I'm not comfortable with, or trust due to documented issues, would make me suddenly switch from the 43??? Whatever point you're trying to make, give it up. Buy and carry all the 365s you want, you can have mine......I'll stick with the 43/43X line.

 

[George P]

You still haven't said what of these problems were on these guns that came back. You don't like the feel of the grip? That's fine and a good reason; but to slam something you have zero experience with is just more internet BS, IMO.

 

[jonnyc]

One broken FP, 2 dead triggers that I can recall...........and I just work part-time. That's enough "experience" for me.
And I didn't "slam" it, just explained my reasons not to choose it.