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Does Sig Sauer have any worse QC and service than any other major manufacturer?
My thoughts exactly. Sig sucks because you can't buy mags, Glocks explode, the MIM parts on Kimbers fall into pieces, The Smith and Wesson M&P line is a sorry apology for the Sigma...;)
 
Does Sig Sauer have any worse QC and service than any other major manufacturer?

It is not that they are worse or better than anyone else it is that they used to be one of the best in the industry. Yes lemons came out of Germany too but IMHO they were not as common as they are now.

Sig is a premium handgun which they sell at a premium price. Therefore I expect premium QC.
 
I can't see the logic of ordering magazines directly from the factory. You can order factory magazines from several places and for less money.
 
Depends on the gun... It is very hard to find some of the Sig mags these days anywhere but from Sig.
 
Sig had supply issues with mags a while back--a couple years ago (during the Obama pamnic) they were shipping new guns with one mag only. I don't know if that is still going on, but I haven't had any problems finding Sig mags recently--Top Gun Supply (my usual source for Sig mags) seems to have a good variety in stock.

+1 Top Gun Supply is about 45 from where I live...If it can be had, they have all things Sig (and many other brands for that matter). They are great guys, I have purchased mags, pistols, and various extras from them, great customer service and great inventory. They even had the "sometimes-hard -to-find" P225 mags at competitive prices.
 
Sig has been good to me and they offer an excellent product. Are they perfect? No. But who is? Oh yeah, Glock!
 
I bought a Sig P238 on 25 Feb. Fired it 29 Feb. The grip screw wouldnt go back in. It was cross-threaded from the factory.

1Mar I sent it back to Sig. They said 2 weeks return time. Feb 10th I called to ask status, they said "oh we need your FFL info to send a new gun". I provided it. 14 Feb I asked again, they said they hadn't received it. I sent them the original fax receipt and the FLL info again...They never contacted me to tell me they hadnt gotten it, never told me the gun was FUBAR and they needed to send a new one until I contacted them.

Here we are 18 days later. Almost a month later and two weeks past the promised delivery date. They give me a BS "we need to wait until one is produced to send it out, and dont know when that will be" and they ignore my repeated emails to ask if they will provide the same upgraded spring I currently had in mine, not the factory POS one that came with it.


The Sig P238 was an awesome little gun that waqs a blast to shoot, but based on their Cust. Service. This is the first and LASt Sig I will EVER own.

3 of my friends replaced their Backup guns recently, all were interested in the Sig P238. I told them my predicament and only 1 decided to buy it instead.
 
I bought a P238 last year and the mags are readily available.
Also, the 1911's they make are very nice as well. I've noticed no QC issues with Sig-Sauer. However, YMMV....
 
I'm new to THR, and new to owning a pistol. I've gone out to the woods with friends and family to target shoot (mostly taking turns sinking the dreaded, anchored one-gallon milkjug), and I've always been an advocate of anyone wanting to K&B, just never saw the need to own one myself...that is until recently.

That was a long introduction into why I'm posting. I recently purchased a Sig P220 pistol marked "Exeter" on one side, but "W. Germany" on the other side of the slide. I've always heard of Sig's being the "Curtis Mathis" of handguns, so I was pleasantly surprised to find one (especially since I set out to buy a XDM .45).

The two pistols were similarly priced, but after test-firing the XD at the local gun range, the Sig simply blew the XD away (forgive the pun)...I'm wondering - should I be concerned about the West German origin of my pistol? Is there some flaw to the model that I'm unaware of? I couldn't be happier with my find, I'm just curious about my pistol...and the relative use I can anticipate getting out of it. I bought it primarily for home-defense, but I'm also finding that my son & I are spending more time together, as he too loves the .45's recoil...firing what he calls "The Big Sig".

Any clues, comments, or testimonials - are encouraged!
 
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I bought 4 Mec-Gar 18 round P226 mags from this seller and couldnt be happier.
Bought a rare "U" series Navy surplus non-rail Sig Navy which only had one 10 round mag with it.
Fired 150 rounds with them today and worked perfectly.
Give him a try.

Factory mags are nice but a little overrated IMHO.

I agree that the older Sigs are better quality.
 
Can someone please enlighten me as to why "the P245 was a flop from the get-go?"

And why are the slides marked "NH" but the frames marked "Germany?"

I would've quoted the poster who made the remark but I can't figure out how to reply with a quote.
 
For hells sake I have had clips on order for over 5 months
Perhaps you should have ordered magazines.


Sorry, but I was chastised on this board early on, and I never forgot.
 
Picked up my brand neww p226 stainless elite last week Went to the range today and it was flawless Sig still makes a very good handgun And yes Mec-Gar makes the mags for Sig
 
And yes Mec-Gar makes the mags for Sig

I am not sure that it still the case. They have changed mag vendors for some of the guns. IIRC people believe that it is checkmate who is not producing them.
 
Can someone please enlighten me as to why "the P245 was a flop from the get-go?"

And why are the slides marked "NH" but the frames marked "Germany?"

I would've quoted the poster who made the remark but I can't figure out how to reply with a quote.

It flopped because of its size. It was a bit ahead of its time. When it was first released there were not as many CCW holders so a CCO sized P220 did not make a lot of sense for a lot of people. Lot of people at the time IIRC did not like the shortened grip. They preferred the classic grip on the P220. They have become more popular lately with the Sig P220 Compact now out and the recent import of some all German guns by PW Arms.

By the "NH" mark I assume you are referring to the rollmark on the slide which says Sigarms, Inc Exeter, NH. This is the import mark.

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Sigarms as they used to be known is headquartered in Exeter, NH which is also where their import lic is registered and where they manufacture pistols currently. In order to bring these pistols into the country from Germany this was required. It does not mean the gun was made in NH.

The gun above was made in Germany. It has triple serial numbers which Germany requires and IIRC. It is a 100% German gun. This was one of the guns brought in by PW Arms. It was not brought in by Sig which is why it has the additional markings. Every single P245 was made in Germany and will have Sigarms, Inc Exeter, NH roll mark in additon to the made in Germany stamp.

IMHO the W. German guns are superior to the current offers. Less MIM, Less bling, better QC and stamped slide vs milled slides. Sig has cheapened every single design in the entire Classic P series design. They replaced every single part that they could get away with with a MIM part. They have changed parts and configurations to achieve parts commonality to achieve lower production costs but have not lowered the price of the P series pistols. Every single new design dating back to the Mosquito... 556... P250...GSR... P238 all have had production and performance issues. This is not your dads Sig Sauer. They are in the race to the production cost bottom in search of bigger profits. This is great if you are a stock holder. It is not so great as a consumer. Excuse me while I put on my flame suit because I know what comes next everytime I post this opinion.
 
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Once again...thank you, Rick. You've cleared it all up for me.
But what does IIRC stand for?

> Hey...you won't have to worry about me flaming you. I'm a wheel-gun man and every one of my Smith & Wessons are vintage (I mentioned yesterday that I too, am a traditionalist.)
I would not own a current production S&W if you paid me. The MIM, the 2-piece bbls., the piss poor QC....not to mention those idiotic Internal Locks.
 
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Here is my W German Sig - Not sure what is meant by a "triple serial number", but the serial number on the slide matches the one on the frame and there are symbols on the underside of the barrel.

I love this pistol.

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Hi White Tiger.....

I'm thinking of buying one exactly like yours. Is the grip overly large (my mits are on the small to med. side.)
And I assume it's a single stack 8-round ???
 
Not sure what is meant by a "triple serial number"

Serial number on slide, barrel and frame is required for a gun sold in Germany. You can almost see all 3 in this pic....

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Is the grip overly large...?

Skeeziks - No, I don't find the grips to be overly large, but my son did. He came home while I was out and put a Hoague grip on my Sig (I told him to take it out and see what he thought)...I was initially irritated, but decided to try it out first. I decided I like the "feel" better.

One of the only consistent negatives I heard while doing some research into the P220 is that most don't like the original Sig grips (shown in my picture) because they're too slick.

I definitely can see what they're talking about, the last few days have been in the high 80's and by the time I made it to my local in-door range, the temps were a little warm. Any moisture on those grips could make them slippery.

For now, I'll stick with the Hoague grip - but it definitely has that "slab o steel" feel. I'm sure you'll try it out before you buy - just make sure you like the way it feels in your hand.
 
Realscout - yep, got all three, but my slide says "Made in W. Germany"...I'm assuming this means it's a little older (maybe before the wall came down)?

Does this indicate any problems? Like I said, I love the pistol, so it won't matter - just counting on this being the "home defense" pistol, so I'd like to know I can rely on it!
 
Realscout - yep, got all three, but my slide says "Made in W. Germany"...I'm assuming this means it's a little older (maybe before the wall came down)?

Look at the front of the slide... does it have proof marks and a date code? This will tell you when it was made. They did not change the equipment so they continued to print W Germany long after W Germany ceased to exist.

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I definitely can see what they're talking about, the last few days have been in the high 80's and by the time I made it to my local in-door range, the temps were a little warm. Any moisture on those grips could make them slippery.

That is one of the reasons people covet the older grips. Like these. They are grippier if that is a word. LOL

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