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I'm researching an X-5, which is claimed to be as accurate as P210. What I have discovered it is made in 5 & 6" barrels, with the 6 lesser $ than 5. I see you can get an adjustable trigger to go from 4 to 2 lbs. four lbs. would be fine, but I went to my LGS and squeezed the trigger on the stainless. Most of my auto loaders are SA and I'm not used to that kind of play. In other words I don't want a lighter trigger, but less travel. For a 2K+ gun I want a trigger adjustment. I did my research at the store, didn't even ask the price, I really wanted a P220 SAO, I do like that X5s and I have a couple of BHPs without the travel one has the mag safety removed. 1911s I have but want something different. Does anyone have any insight on the X-5, how many versions are there. Other forums just confused me. My Ideal is a P220 X-5. No .40s for me that's a tweener. It's has to be either 9,45 38 super.
 
Well, I have an X-5 All Around in 9mm. I believe ALL of the X-5s are nominally called "P226s", rather than P220s. My version is a DA/SA, and is extremely accurate. I had Bruce Grey work over the action with his Enhanced Leverage Competition Package. It removed all the take-up from the trigger. There are SA only versions and, as you say, there are X-6s as well. I can't remember all the iterations (some are purely cosmetic variants) , but you should be able to look them all up on SIGSAUER.com.
 
I have an X-Five in .40 and have had an P-210-6. I can't shoot the .40 version I have for some reason, but loved the P-210-6. (From a rest, the P-226 X-Five I own is a tack driver, but offhand, I shoot patterns not groups. It's me, I know -- I can't blame the gun.) It's a heavy gun, and even in .40, the recoil is modest.

Mine is a P-226 X-Five Competition, which is single action. It's a beautifully made gun. It is not your father's P-226. Mine came with a proof target showing a 1.1" group of five shots at 25 meters, roughly 27 yards. (I need to upgrade the photos, I know...) I'll probably sell it one of these days -- as it gives me no joy to shoot it.

I'm not sure, but I don't think there is or ever has been an X-Five in anything but 9mm or .40 (which are probably the most widely used calibers in USPSA/IPSC). Here's a photo of mine.

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Travel and trigger weight are both adjustable on my x5
Mine is a mastershop black and white
The 45 is in a 6" p220x6
My 5" is heavy enough, 6 looks interesting but based on how the 5" balances, it is better for me.
I also have a 201-6
It is unbelievable
5 shot standing at 25yards first group ever
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Here is x5
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The SIG X-5 is only available in .40 and 9mm as it is based on the 226 platform.

The only time I was able to shot both an X-5 (Competition, not the L-1) and a 210 next to each other, they had both been tuned, so I can't give an impression comparing the stock versions...but the X-5 is a much heavier gun and than the 210.
 
The target that came with mine has a group just over .75" shot at 28 yards.



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Depends on the model. They're not all the same.
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That is true but he is asking about an X-5 with adjustable trigger and I thought all X-5s with an adjustable trigger were adjustable for both.
 
The target that came with mine has a group just over .75" shot at 28 yards.
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Watched a review the other day of a guy getting 3in groups at 100 yards with a 500 dollar pistol. I guess I'm wondering can something like this do 1in groups? To be fair he was shooting off a table and it wasn't from a ransom rest but I just can't see anyone ever needing anything under 3 at 100yrds. I'm not even sure I could hit a stop sign at 100 yards
 
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That is true but he is asking about an X-5 with adjustable trigger and I thought all X-5s with an adjustable trigger were adjustable for both.
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I read his original post differently. I saw he was asking about X-5s (and some other models that I don't think are made) and said, " I see you can get an adjustable trigger to go from 4 to 2 lbs."

I had the impression that he thought that was a standard feature, or an easily added option, and it isn't. I would hate to see him move ahead without understanding that the "adjustable" feature comes in a more costly model.

I actually prefer the trigger on my stock P220 Super Match to the trigger on my X-Five Competition. They're both SA, of course, but the P220 trigger is a bit lighter and just feels better to me. Neither has been touched by a gunsmith.

A surprising number of folks with X-Fives end up having their guns worked on by Bruce Grey; while that extra work may not realy be necessary, and Grey's work is highly regarded, I suspect my experience with and attitude about the non-Level 1 trigger (at least in the SA versions) is shared by others, too. That said, I have a P228 that was given the Grey Guns treatment (before I bought it, used), and it is impressive. Grey's shop obviously does excellent work.
 
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Watched a review the other day of a guy getting 3in groups at 100 yards with a 500 dollar pistol.
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Most $500 pistols are doing well to get 3" groups at 30 yards. What caliber was it? Not saying it's not possible but even with a good scope that kind of group at 100 is hard to believe. Even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while.
 
Most $500 pistols are doing well to get 3" groups at 30 yards. What caliber was it? Not saying it's not possible but even with a good scope that kind of group at 100 is hard to believe. Even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while.
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Agreed. But every once in a while you'll stumble across a lower-end gun that just SHOOTS. That was probably what happened with the one cited -- a serendipitous combination of a great shooter and a lucky find in a gun.

I had a DaeWoo DP51 that would was impressive (maybe 6" at 50 yards if the right person, not me, was shooting it); a second one I picked up, while quite good, could never match the performance of the first gun.
 
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Walt Sherrill said:
A surprising number of folks with X-Fives end up having their guns worked on by Bruce Grey; while that extra work may not realy be necessary, and Grey's work is highly regarded, I suspect my experience with and attitude about the non-Level 1 trigger (at least in the SA versions) is shared by others, too. That said, I have a P228 that was given the Grey Guns treatment (before I bought it, used), and it is impressive. Grey's shop obviously does excellent work.
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Just for the benefit of folks trying to find him on the internet, I'll mention that Bruce's last name is Gray and that the company name is Grayguns http://grayguns.com/
 
I have an X6 Scandic, the trigger feel is different than a1911 for instance, but with the fully adjustable trigger the results are spectacular. Keep in mind these are big guns and grip and technique are important.
 
"Does anyone have any insight on the X-5, how many versions are there. "

I bought a new X-5 Tactical with threaded barrel for $1350. The trigger is 4.5# SAO, the frame is alloy and it came with night sights. Everyone who has shot it ended up standing there grinning looking at the gun, the target, the gun, the target.

I think my Swiss Army surplus P-210 is a little more accurate at long range, but it will take a much better shooter than me to prove it.
 
I have shot an X5 and like the post above I was sort of torn if it was as accurate as my P210's. I don't think it was better than my 210-5 but it would take a fair amount of shooting to prove it.

The gun does not hang in the hand as nicely as the 210's do at least for me though. I considered buying one and finally passed for that reason.
 
Regarding different models and versions... The SIG website isn't very informative, and gives too little info -- and no mention of the many variations available. From Wiki:
  • The "Competition" model has a single-action-only (SA) trigger, ambidextrous thumb safety, flared magazine well, and high-capacity magazines (19-round 9mm/ 14-round .40 S&W).
  • The "Level-1" model adds a special adjustable SA trigger and Nill wood grips.
  • The "Lightweight" model is similar to the "Level-1" but with an alloy rather than stainless frame. (US models only chambered for 9mm.)
  • The "Allround" model has a double-action/single-action (DA/SA) trigger, a decocking lever and a standard magazine well designed to accommodate P226 magazines.
  • The "Tactical" model comes with a black Ilaflon finish, and features a heavy-weight alloy frame with a SIG rail, and fixed contrast or tritium night sights. Available in single action only (SAO) configuration. The X-Five Tactical model is only available in 9mm.
  • The "Norway" is a very limited edition model that was created for the Norwegian Special Forces and comes completely made of stainless steel with a PVC coating. There were approximately sixteen of these imported to the "USA" total making them extremely scarce.
I've seen other versions listed, including a "Scandic" (an X-6) mentioned here. I know too, that there are models that get special attention from SIG's Master Gunsmiths, and some versions where special attention is given to the finish and grips -- some of which look quite exotic. That may all be window-dressing added to the basic models.

But, you have many options -- probably more than are listed here -- all of them are costly.

Like Peter, above, I've shot both the X-Five and a P-210-6. (I own an X-Five and did own a P-210-6.) I much prefer to shoot the 210-6, but for competition, the X-Five would arguably be a much better gun than the older P-210s, just based on capacity alone. I don't know about the newer P-210 models which have some differences, including a more convenient mag release. (Peter, by the way, has quite a collection of fine weapons, so you can give his appraisal some weight.)
 
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I had Sig Sauer X5 AR for about a year before I got rid of it. There was nothing wrong with it- I just had my fun with it and it did not have room in my collection for the following reasons:

1. It was out shot by my DW Havok
2. It was out shot by my Beretta 92 CCombo
3. Because of the previous two reasons I decided to buy X6 instead. When will I get my hands on one or have time to shop around for it, I am not sure.

There are variety of models in X5, and AR is on the cheaper side. The more you spend, better options you get. Range is $1600-3200.
 
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If you enjoy seeing folks who really used their "exotic" guns, here is a picture of a 210 that a LEO carries as a duty gun
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That is a gorgeous gun, and improves some of the things I found awkward about my P-210-6 -- the mag release and safety lever.

(Later comment: the beavertail is different too. Some folks get terrible hammer-bite with the older style. I didn't.)
 
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