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Sig220 Vs. Colt1911

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by Archibald Tuttle, Mar 7, 2007.

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  1. Archibald Tuttle

    Archibald Tuttle Member

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    Both are currently my favorite of the .45 caliber but I'm curious to know what others might choose between the two and why. I'm especially curious to know if there are any tactical disadvantages to choosing classic firearms over modern ones. Would a Sig220 hold any advantage over the Colt1911 or are there any other models of the 1911 that might be a better choice?
     
  2. GreenFurniture

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    The 1911 is the better choice.

    Look at the models from Kimber, Springfield Armory and Colt. They're all fine pistols.
     
  3. BADUNAME13

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    I looked at the Sig, but I see no point to buying a DA when I can have what I consider to be a superior action (SA) Same round count...

    I carry a Kimber 1911.
     
  4. 10-Ring

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    My Colt XSE is one of my fave 45's and I haven't warmed up to the Sig
     
  5. gbell

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    I've shot both for a while. Personally, I prefer the 1911 for two main reasons. The Sig 1) is DA and 2) I have ammo feed problems when using softer lead, and also I don't really trust the decocker on the Sig. Love shooting the 1911.
     
  6. GunNut

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    +1 on not liking the DA/SA trigger mechanism.

    So I would choose the 1911, but I would really look at the Sig P220SAO too.
     
  7. sixgunner455

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    I prefer a 1911 in .45. I don't enjoy shooting a P220 in .45, but I can shoot a 1911 (all steel, full size) until I run out of ammo. If it's 9mm, the Sig might beat the 1911. I do like the feel of the P220.
     
  8. jojosdad

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    Put me down on the 1911 side. I owned a SIG P220 for a week and never could get used to the trigger. I have 4 1911s and carry either a Series 70 Govt. or a Kimber Compact everyday.
     
  9. doubleg

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    If its for ccw, then the p220. For everything else the 1911.
     
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    "OH NO HE DID'nt" *hops into MOPP 4 suit. 1911 all the way, best pistol ever designed, built and used.
     
  11. AK103K

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    I used to be a big 1911 fan. I bought my first one around 1970 and I carried Colts for close to 30 years. Still have a couple, but they only get shot once in awhile these days and I have been selling them off for SIG's.

    The biggest advantage the SIG's have over the 1911's is, they work out of the box. No crossing your fingers you got a good one, or fiddling or tuning, no break in, they just work. I know every manufacturer has their lemons, and I've had my share, (more 1911's than anything else) but I have yet to have to fool with any SIG I own or any I've shot. I cant say that for the 1911's, and especially any that didnt have a Prancing Pony on them. If you have a 1911 that works, they are great pistols, no argument from me there, but I find the overall reliability and accuracy of the SIG's to be better.

    The DA vs SA thing is simply a lack of training and practice more than anything else. Once you are used to the DA triggers, its really no big deal. The dreaded DA to SA transition isnt there, and accuracy is just as good. Most of the complaints I hear are from people who wont put the time in to learn to shoot them. By doing do, they only limit themselves.

    The decockers are a non issue. They simply lower the hammer safely.

    While I still have a couple of P220's, I dont carry them much any more. I moved over to the P229 in 357SIG. I like the round better, and you get 4-5 more rounds in a gun thats about the same size.
     
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    For me, yes. If I'm under severe stress and a zombie has me pinned down, and is ready to bite my neck, I want to grab my pistol in any way possible, pull the trigger, and hear a boom. No cocked and locked, no thumb safety,no thumb up or down, just point and pull the trigger. Sorry, I don't have time to train as a professional pistolero, I just want something nearly as simple as a Glock, but better. Ha...now I've offended both major religions. :neener:
     
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    I have both and feel equally comfortable putting my life on the line with either. I have beat up on both as far as cheap ammo, shooting dirty guns and a few hundred rounds fired with only time to change the mags. Both flawless. Now, both are better than Glocks:what:
     
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    Colt 1911 for me.
     
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    P220 for carry, for the fact that my thumb's just a little too short to reach the mag release on either, but it's a shorter hike on a 220. I like the DA/SA option. I haven't ever fired their DAO (DAK, I think they call it..) but the simplicity of a DAO would be good for high stress shooting.

    For effect, I think I'd have to go with the 1911, especially if I felt comfortable open carrying (No practical way to hide a full-sized one on me..) It'd have to be full-sized, in a light finish like nickel plating. Whip that baby out and even young tyrone the amateur funds-reappropriation officer will know you mean business :p
     
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    It seems the Colt1911 wins this round and I too prefer a prancing pony. But what I'm still curious about is how older models hold up to newer ones, especially during combat. Does anyone have any information on this subject?
     
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    I decided to go with a .45 back in late 2004. Spent a few months agonizing over the choice between a sig 220 and a 1911. The Sig 220ST Stock was out as a limited run, with fiber optic sights and extended controls. I already owned the 226 Stainless Stock with target sights so that did it for me. I still needed a 1911. Bought the SA Black Stainless Loaded. Bought the S&WPD1911 Commander. Bought the Ed Brown Exec Target. Spent three years gun budget. Looking at the Sig 220 SAO, but will not buy it unless forced to by the gun crazies in my head.

    I ran the 220 through it's paces the other day. Great gun. DA is not a problem if you're used to it. I like the de-cocker. Sig 220 is very accurate. Having said that it's not a Brown 1911.
     
  18. thirty-thirty

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    The 1911 is a better range gun, but I'll take the Sig P220 for everything else. I don't want a defense handgun that doesn't go bang every time I pull the trigger. I hate safeties. Single actions are notorious for better triggers, but I don't want to carry cocked and locked.
    A P220 under the pillow does not make me nervous.
    If i have tp draw on an assailant who is 4 feet away, I don't need a safety to snick off and I want my thumb wrapped around the grip holding it tight.

    In a gunfight at 80 yards the 1911 would be better, but I think most gunfights occur at very short range.
     
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    I'll take the Sig P220

    That's one reason.

    Thats another.

    You can get a P220 with DA/SA trigger or with the DAK trigger.The DAK trigger (double action only) has a 6 lb pull. It's a great trigger for CCWs, light enough for fast follow up shots, but heavy enough to avoid ADs under stress.

    Or for the price of one 1911, you can buy both :neener:
     
  20. DAVE RICHARDS

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    I finally after going through 7 or so 1911's have two that are reliable. I have never had any of my Sigs fail. EVER! Although I love my 1911's they're not the perfect pistol many would have you believe. Case in point.
    The plunger tube. Plunger tubes are one of the weaknessses in the 1911's design. They are staked in. They tend to often shoot loose after some time. Internal extractors are another case in point. Sometimes you get one that works the life of the gun. Othertimes, well.......! Look at the 1911 forums and the number of threads their are on how to tension internal extractors. Either too little or too much extractor tension causes all kinds of feeding/extraction problems on them. Also recoil springs on the Commanders and smaller sized models need fairly frequent, at least compared to most modern designs, changes to stay at optimum performance.
    Not to mention the differences in fit, tolerences and so on in different guns from different makers. All manner of makers of parts and mags. And on and on. Am I down on the 1911? No. Once you get one up and running they are great shooters. For all the reasons people love. Pointability, accuracy, trigger pull, and so on. So if you are willing to put the time in they are great guns once debugged. But remember this. Wilson Combat, Cylinder and Slide, and so on still make lots of money doing "reliability packages" on 1911's. How many people would buy a Sig, HK, Glock, Walther, S&W, Ruger, or any of the modern desiogns and put up with having to fork out more cash to make them reliable?
    Plus not only does the 220 work from the box they are very accurate. Typically if you can do it 1.5 inch groups at 25 yards. Some guns 1 inch. You have to pay alot to get into that kind of accuracy from a 1911. Also if you like cocked and locked the 220 is made in a version that uses that set up. So if you want a gun that is "balls to the wall" reliable and accurate from the box get the 220. If you are willing to risk having to maybe do some work to your 1911 from out of the box to get it as reliable ad accurate as a 220 go for it. YMMV!
     
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    I've sold all my 1911s (probably a dozen or so, all told) and kept no less than two P220s (and sometimes more, depending on finances).

    In the end, the P220 carries just as well as the 1911, is just as slim, is equal to any 1911 in accuracy, and in all the rounds I've thrown downrange thru one I've NEVER had a FTF, FTE, or bobble of any kind.

    The fact that I can buy a used but very servicable P220 for far less than a 1911 of comparable build quality doesn't hurt my feelings, either.
     
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    SIG here... I trained and instructed on/with SIG's for several years and it doesn't take long to get used to the DA-SA transition. I get another one in a heartbeat if the price tag wasn't what it is.
     
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    Handsome vs. practical

    I love my 1911 colts for their history. I like the way they look, and feel, and they are fun to shoot...but, they simply are not as reliable as the Sig 220. Even with all the ramping/throating to the point of being able to feed cases, I am not ready to bet my life on them. I feel 100% confident that the first round would go bang...it is the subsequent rounds that I worry about. I don't worry about that with the Sig 220. Everyone I have talked to who has owned both echo's my opinion. The real deal is your particular weapon, and its history of reliability. You know what you can expect from your weapon. Neither the 1911, nor the 220 would do if you can't shoot worth shat, no matter how many bangs you get.
     
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    So I love 1911's as much as the next guy, but for anything other than a range gun I'd go Sig for all the reasons mentioned above.

    You guys saying SA is better do know that the 220 can be had as SA only right? You can carry it cocked and locked just like a 1911. Heck you can even get one with a 5" barrel that's SA only. :D
     
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    Yeah, that one's probably only a couple grand huh? The 5" SAO? lol

    Which has the shorter trigger reset p220 SAO vs 1911?
     
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