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Sights or just me

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by Bowfishrp, Apr 9, 2012.

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  1. Bowfishrp

    Bowfishrp Member

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    Why is it I feel more like I shoot better with my fathers 1911 than on my glock 21. His 1911 is a Colt series 70 with original sights. I feel like I cant shoot my glock 21 as accurately and it makes me wonder if it is the sights or not. It has the Glock night sights but they still feel pretty fat and bulky to me. I had been thinking about a reddot sight but would rather stay away from them right now.
    I know my glock can shoot as well as his 1911 so figure its got to be in my head.

    Just dont see all that much difference between my night sights and the trijicon or mepro.
     
  2. 9mmepiphany

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    You'd shoot better if you took off the 3-dot sights and replaced them with plain black ones. The dots are perceived by your subconscious as language and it is trying to read them.
     
  3. Steve C

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    A single action trigger is almost always easier to shoot better than a double action type like in your Glock 21. The SA trigger has less finger movement, is generally lighter and easier to get the surprise break needed for top accuracy.

    You should be able to shoot your G21 as good as your dads 1911, assuming its a non modified standard pistol, it just takes more work and practice to overcome the difference in triggers.
     
  4. Bowfishrp

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    I would agree...still getting used to the 3 dot sights and not sure I like them in the daytime. I find myself trying to line up the dots across the target instead of just below it. Going to try out some different sights and see if I cant make it better.
    Thanks.
    Robert
     
  5. ForumSurfer

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    I agree. I also didn't agree until I tried xs big dots, tru glows and pretty much everything out there. Being hard headed stinks. I could have better spent that money on more ammo and training. Years later, this is m preference on a carry/home defense gun:

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  6. dsb1829

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    I would say it's a little of both. GI sights easier to be accurate with in slow-fire for me as the front sight is narrow and fills the rear notch. That said, they are slower for action or rapid-fire. I typically use a fiber optic front and serrated rear for my game/competition guns. The sight picture is what forumsurfer put up except that the fo is brighter/easier to pickup fast.
     
  7. Shoobee

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    Actually I really like the 3 dot system that is popular on most semi-auto's now.

    My CZ is much easier to shoot accurately with them than my 1911A1 Springfield was.

    But my CZ is a double and single action, so after you fire the first shot double action, the rest are single action, and the single action is always more accurate than shooting double action.

    So I think you are finding out that you would have preferred a single-and-double action rather than strictly a double action hammer-concealed mechanism.
     
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    Really? I'm far more accurate when I have plenty of light on both sides of the front post...especially at distance with small targets when the sight picture completely covers a small target if the rear notch is filled.

    I have a couple with serrated rears. The smooth ones have grown on me. :) I like the FO front, but my game gun is also a home defense gun at times. That's why you see a tritium dot on the g34 slide above.

    Sorry, my camera skills are awful.
     
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    I can be accurate with just about any sight. I won't argue that the three dots are less (or more) accurate. :)

    But when I try to shoot defensive drills or competitions...the extra rear dots slow me down. For some reason my brain initially tries to shift my focus to the rear sight, too. Does it do it every time? Nope...but I don't like it when it does. The black rear fixes that for me.
     
  10. daytodaze

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    Practice dry firing your glock. Once you get the trigger into position, it is pretty smooth at the break. I would consider trigger time and possibly a lighter spring before i started swapping out sights.
     
  11. 9mmepiphany

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    I'd take from this that you aren't shooting very quickly

    That may be true for your style of shooting, but the double action trigger press has proven to be just as accurate, out to 20 yards for me, when shooting quickly. It is all a matter of trigger management. There is a reason revolver shooters don't usually go SA on longer shots in IDPA, ICORE or USPSA...it isn't more accurate

    While a Glock's trigger being DAO is often the subject of heated discussion, I don't think there has ever been a disagreement about it not having a hammer
     
  12. Skylerbone

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    Perhaps a fresh Sticky on sights and the reasons for choosing them is long overdue.

    No one seems to make the combination I'd like to see which would be a plain black serrated rear with a square notch and forward rake and a front with a square light "tube" staked to the top of the sight ala the 1911 ejector. Something like an S&W revolver with a red ramp front minus the white outline and adjustability.

    I hate lining up round dots in square notches and round dots in round notches still don't seem right when the top edge is what I'm supposed to focus on. I prefer a wide front when target shooting for accuracy and a wider rear notch when shooting for speed.
     
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    i can shoot a 1911 accuratly all day, i shot my baretta, and i cant hit the side of a barn. same thing when i shoot my wifes g30. but i can shoot a sig p226 better then a 1911.
     
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    I would suspect the fit of the gun in your hand.

    The 1911 trigger will allow more cheating as to technique, but a SIG 226 and Beretta 92/96 are on pretty even footing as to trigger...so it has to be hand fit
     
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    IMO the 1911 platform sets the standard for trigger and accuracy. Stock Glocks are great for what they are, but they don't compare. It's pretty common to target shoot a good/quality 5" 1911, with lighter single action trigger and tighter frame/slide fit, better. Trick that Glock out (lighten trigger, better sights, etc.) and you can close the gap some; the main change being how well you can shoot it.
     
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    Subconscious language perception? Reading the dots? I could loose sleep over stuff like that.
     
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    I have.

    I like two dot better than three dot, but less than one dot. I still greatly prefer to have just one dot up front, for both accurate work at distance and for speed. For me, one narrow blade up front and a wide, all black rear notch is better for all tasks. I have a set of heinie straight 8's on one of my handguns. I colored the rear one with a green sharpie so that the tritium shines through at night but it almost looks flat black in the daytime.
     
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    Those are usually referred as Straight Eights...after it's originator Richard Heine. I too like them better than the 3-dot but not as much as the single front dot
     
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    If you have a tritium dot on the front sight only, how do you accurately sight without any point of reference on the rear sight (night shooting)?
     
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    You look through the notch in the rear sight as you always do...the rear blade is silhouetted against the target. If there isn't enough light for that, you wouldn't have enough to identify your target
     
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    While a Glock's trigger being DAO is often the subject of heated discussion

    I just bought a Glock 34 last month, after renting a G17 (closest rental to a G34 they had) and finding I really liked it and fired it accurately (by my novice standards).

    I personally don't care if it's deemed DAO or not. I know the ATF officially declares Glock to be DAO, not that any of this matters in the least. All that matter to me is how a gun performs.

    While others can debate DAO or not till the end of time, I can state that a Glock trigger feels absolutely nothing like a DA revolver trigger. I doubt there's any heat generated by that obvious statement.
     
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    Plain black sights drive me nuts with their total lack of contrast.

    I'm fine with a plain black rear, but the front sight needs to stand out for me. I gather there are others who feel the same with all the guns one can find that have plain black rear and fiber optic front, a set up I very much like.
     
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    For those who like the straight 8 configuration night sights in low light and a plain rear for daytime Harrison Custom makes a rear sight with a recessed tritium lamp.
     
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    Everyone is different. I would say the narrow sight does more for me than the filling of the rear notch.
     
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