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Silencers, are they legal and easy to get in Florida?

Discussion in 'Handguns: General Discussion' started by davidd, Mar 20, 2007.

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  1. davidd

    davidd Member

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    Saw a self defense show talking about silencers. I hate muzzle blast and thought having such a feature would be great, but don't know anything about them. I always thought they were illegal, or at the very least, required special permitting.

    do any of you have guns with silencers? what do you use them for? i have a hunting lease and like to plink around, so quiet would be nice.
     
  2. Holydoc

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    They are legal in Florida as long as you have contacted the NFA, gotten the required tax stamp, and pre-approval from the ATF before purchasing them. You can NOT purchase any part of the silencer until you get approval from the ATF. If you do, you have committed a felony in Florida.
     
  3. 30 cal slob

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    1) locate an FFL in your state that (legally) sells suppressors. Pick a suppressor. Put a deposit on it or pay for it ... whatever the dealer requires.

    2) the dealer will furnish you with TWO COPIES of ATF Form 4 to be signed by your Chief Law Enforcement Officer (CLEO - see below). You will also be required to get TWO sets of fingerprints for FBI check. You will need to obtain TWO recent color passport photos.

    3) Determine whether your Chief Law Enforcement Officer (i.e., your town Chief or County Sheriff or State Police) will sign off on your Form 4. If no relevent CLEO will sign, then... you are sheet outta luck UNLESS...

    4) ...you form a corporation in your state (yes, you need to hire a lawyer to do that). the corporation can purchase the NFA firearm without the need for a CLEO signature.

    5) if #3 or #4 are not an issue, then take your completed signed ATF Form 4's, fingerprints, and passport photos back to your FFL + SOT. You will then probably fill out another ATFE "Certification of Compliance with 18 USC 922 (g)(5)(B) " and then cough up a check for the $200 transfer tax.

    6) the dealer will mail this stuff to ATFE. It takes a first time applicant anywhere from 30-60 days to get the first transfer approved. Upon approval, your dealer will contact you to come pick up the thing. You'll fill out an ATFE Form 4473 ... just like you would any other gun.

    Repeat steps 1-6 as extra liquidity becomes available. :neener:
     
  4. altav

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    In Florida, you don't need to hire a lawyer to create a corp. - just log onto www.sunbiz.org and you can create one online in about 5 minutes. You also have the option of creating a trust - another simple operation with the help of Quicken Willmaker. IMHO, the corp./trust route is the way to go since you don't have to waste any time getting fingerprint cards, CLEO sign off's, etc. But let me warn you, silencers can / are addicting so make sure your bank account can handle it. :)

    As for what I use mine for… Well, it’s pretty darn nice to be able to shoot without any hearing protection.
     
  5. Shawn Michael

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    Thought

    thought they were always illegal. Learn something new each day. Always wondered how they work and if they become less effective with time
     
  6. Autolycus

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    I wish we had that kind of freedom here in Illinois. I am planning on moving somwhere outside of this state after colllege. And Florida is looking better and better.
     
  7. Babalouie

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    Actually you don't have to form a corp. In Florida you can form a Trust and it will accomplish the same thing. Got some friends in our ipsc club that do it that way and spoke with a dealer and he says yep, absolutely...much easier to form and maintain a trust than a corp.
     
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    Went on to Sunbiz, but have a question. Can the corp be an LLC, or must it be a "For Profit Corporation"
     
  9. forindooruseonly

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    They work through controlling the escaping gases through a series of baffles. Some types of designs do become less effective, since some of the old subgun suppressors used a polyurethane wipe which the bullet passed through. As those got wore out, the suppressor became louder. They were designed to have the wipes replaced after about 500 rounds.

    Others use a wet design that is packed with grease, and with each shot some of the grease exits making it less effective. These are designed to be small and quiet for a few shots, and don't need the size of a dry design.

    Most cans nowadays use more modern technology that doesn't get louder, as precision machining and improved baffle designs eliminated the need for wipes. These just need to be cleaned and will not wear out with normal usage.
     
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    http://www.impactguns.com/store/machineguns_legalities.html
     
  11. Ranb

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    I design and make silencers as a hobby. I own some personally and others on a trust I created using Quicken Willmaker. The advantage of a trust is that I do not have to obtain the local sheriff's signature or send in photos or finger prints. ATF approval is routine an takes about 4 months now. I have never heard of anyone being denied as long as they filled out the forms properly.

    Here is a drawing of a silencer I made for an AR-15. The bore is about .3 inches to reduce the chance of baffles strikes that would damage the silencer and ruin accuracy. It was easy to make and works well. But it is not quiet. A small tube 1.5 inches wide and 7 inches long has no chance of making a rifle using a cartridge loaded with 26 grains of powder anything near quiet, but it does reduce noise enough to eliminate the need for hearing prortection if shot out in the open.

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    Check out http://www.silencertalk.com and http://www.subguns.com for forums, advice and dealer lists.

    Ranb
     
  12. shockwave

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    Most gun shops I've been in here in FL have a range for sale. No problems buying one if you do the paperwork.
     
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    There is no such thing as a "class 3 license". It is a tax stamp.
     
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    It costs nothing to set up a trust unless your state requires that it be registered for some reason and charges a fee. Mine cost nothing except the price of the software. The cheapest lawyer I could find wanted $600 though. A ripoff in my opinion.

    Firearms can be classified as title 1 or 2. Title 2 weapons are silencers, machine guns, short barreled shotguns/rifles, DD's and AOW's. Title 1 weapons are everything else.

    If an FFL wants to import, manufacture or deal in title 2 weapons, then they have to pay the special occupational tax (SOT), class 1 2 or 3 respectively. So when a person says class 3, they re actually referring to the type of SOT the licensee pays to the ATF.

    Ranb
     
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    That required tax stamp will cost you $200.
     
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    And incidentally its NOT legal to use hunting in Fla..
     
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    Haven't done a transfer recently have you?:)

    Most transfer are more in the 90-120 day range right now. My last one done over the summer of 2008 took 160 days. I have paperwork at ATF now and it is at 34 days. I don't expect to see it until April or May.
     
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    If you're around the Port Orange/Daytona Beach area I would seriously consider taking a stop by Florida Gun Exchange.

    Was there today and they have a little display case full of holographic sight and a lot of silencers.

    And no, I don't work for them or are affiliated with them. Just letting you know where you can get them.
     
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    I own 2 silencers. One is a 22lr (Tac-65) the other is a .223 (Gemtech Piranah). My car pistol is a TC G2 in .223 and it wears my Gemtech silencer. An 11.5 barrel in .223 is not fun without a silencer. But, it's a pleasure to shoot with one.

    Silencers;

    Allow shooting without hearing protection.
    are the ultimate brake (recoil)
    are the ultimate flash reducer.
     
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    I have been arrested for possession of concealed firearm without a permit (was underage) and armed trespassing here in florida. Adjudication withheld, so i kept my civil rights, not convicted. Would I fail the Check?
     
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    Who are the best dealers in Florida to buy from, and to help you through the process?
    Steve
     
  23. rha600

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    where are you in FL? it wouldn't be much help telling you one in Key West if you live in Fort Walton Beach. :)
     
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    Sorry, St Petersburg

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    Drew at Heavy Metal Armory in Bradenton

    AFS
     
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