Silencers/suppressors

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Google 1934 National Firearms Act and see for yourself. Wikipedia's page is pretty good

NEVER use Wikipedia for legal advice. i have an account on there and i can edit that page to say silencers are legal in every state and it would probably remain unchanged for a day until somebody noticed. your best bet is to go into USC codes, state laws (which should be provided on their .gov website, or even your local firearms retailer for guidance)

Never trust Wikipedia for legal advice, anyone with an account can edit it at any time.
 
Jeez, let's get picky! If you don't have a special permit they are illegal. Yes, the permit can be attained. I maintain, they are basically illegal, but not technically, because one can attain a special permit.

I am a bit aghast that you would repost such nonsense after it was already well refuted once.

They are not basically illegal. As was pointed out they are basically illegal the same way driving is basically illegal. Actually it cost me more money and took more time to get a drivers license than a tax stamp for a suppressor takes.

One must get a tax stamp not a "special permit." If I don't pay the tax on my motorcycle, car, boat, house, etc I can not use them on public property does that make them basically illegal? I have to pay a user fee to go to national parks does that make them basically illegal? The answer is a resounding NO.

There is a huge difference between being "basically illegal" and being regulated. If my car is not registered and I park it on the street that is illegal would you contend parking my car on the street is basically illegal because I must receive a special permit to do so?

As long as there are no state laws at work then suppressors are legal but much like many things in life one must meet certain legal requirements.

The intent of the law was to make them illegal for the average guy, because when the law was made, $200 was a lot of money few would part with.

That may be but has little to do with their legality today. If the current tax was raised to $2000 or $20,000 then one might contend that while legal their cost is very prohibitive much like FA weapons.

I have nothing against them, in fact I think they are pretty cool, as mentioned above. Not cool enough for me to spend $200 on, not mention cost of the suppressor, but each to his own.

Super, you cannot easily afford one, what relation does that have to their legality. I cannot easily afford a Bentley that says nothing about their legality.
 
so what is a typical gunsmith threading job?

It sounds like it is not that much of a PITA to actually get one, but how much does a smith charge to thread a barrel? It seems like a permanent mod to a firearm could make the 200 stamp seem low.

what are the best pistols to silence - IE ease of threading, shooting with or without the can installed?

anyone selence a 10/22 rifle? i'd thank that would be an accurate and nice silent way to go. can a subsonic 22LR round cycle a semi-auto action?
 
One of the most impressive suppressed firearms I have seen was a Ruger 10/22 with a little 1"x6" AAC silencer. The bolt clacking was seemingly louder than the muzzle report. There are less noisy firearms out there, but they are suppressed bolt action rifles or integrally suppressed guns with ported barrels that reduce velocity, sometimes to a substandard level. I have a 51 caliber subsonic carbine with a 2"x18" can on it. It suppresses a load of 30 grains of H110 enough to make it sound like a car door slamming instead of a gunshot, but it is not as impressive as a good suppressed 22 rimfire.

That said, Al Paulson's Silencer History and Performance states that a 10/22 bolt closing on a cartridge is about 100 decibels, while the muzzle blast is about 115 decibels. The muzzle blast seems quieter because it is of such short duration and farther from the shooter's ear than the bolt. If you are paying attention to a normal conversation at the shooting bench with another person, you might not be aware that the shooter was shooting anything.

From what I have read about others who have gunsmiths thread their barrels; if the barrel is easily removed from the gun, then it usually costs less than $50 to thread it on a lathe. A skilled gunsmith uses a lathe instead of a die to ensure the threads are aligned with the bore. I use a tap and die for anything less than one inch because I am not a skilled gunsmith. :)

My 10/22 would not reliably cycle with subsonic ammo when using the stainless barrel it came with, but it did fine with the $20 blue Ebay barrel I bought for it. The stainless barrel might have a rougher chamber, not sure why.

Ranb

ETA; the Buckmark and S&W pistols are very popular to suppress. 9mm's are also popular, but most of them need a recoil booster to decouple the weight of the silencer from the barrel upon firing to allow the slide to operate correctly and pick up the next round. The Berretta 92's do not as the barrel does not tilt and is not affected as much. I made a silencer for my Browning HP. It is not an ideal host as the barrel is quite slim and there is no shoulder for the end cap to index on to maintain proper alignment. I had to simply make it a tight fit on the tiny portion of the barrel between the threads and the front of the slide. I was able to make it light enough to use without a recoil booster. But I had to load the 147 cast bullets above the max load in the book to 1060 fps and use a cut down 8 pound spring to ensure proper operation.

As far as I know there are no 45 ACP pistols that will function properly without a recoil booster. They are also noisier than most suppressed 9mm's due to the larger bore when both are shot dry, but they are significantly more powerful when subsonic ammo is used as the bullet weight is typically 230 grains vs 147 grains.

Shooting suppressed is a nice experience. Under the right conditions, it is possible to do without using any other hearing protection at all and still be safe on the ears. While ear muffs and plugs have their place, it is delightful to shoot without their numbing affect on your hearing. This is something that certain self loathing gun owners enjoy, but do not want the rest of us to experience.
 
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It sounds like it is not that much of a PITA to actually get one, but how much does a smith charge to thread a barrel? It seems like a permanent mod to a firearm could make the 200 stamp seem low.

what are the best pistols to silence - IE ease of threading, shooting with or without the can installed?

anyone selence a 10/22 rifle? i'd thank that would be an accurate and nice silent way to go. can a subsonic 22LR round cycle a semi-auto action?
Threading isn't bad, maybe $70 or just buy a barrel that's already threaded. I was getting a bull-barrel for my 10/22 anyway and it was about $60 more for the threaded barrel than the non-threaded one (and most come with a nice looking screw on cap to hide the threads when they aren't in use).
Just make sure they thread it in relation to the bore and not the outside of the barrel. If your suppressor is screwed on and it's a little cockeyed you could get baffle strikes and those are expensive.
Suppressed 10/22 sounds like a low powered pellet gun and you can hear the bullet thwack the target and the cycling of the action sounds louder than the report. Mine cycles most subsonic ammo reliably. If it gets dirty it has some extraction problems with aguila subsonic but that stuff was less accurate than cci subsonic and stunk so I don't use it anyway.
 
I have my factory 10/22 barrel sitting in a box with my

match on the receiver now. Sounds like it is a good call to thread that one, as i'm guessing that a can does not exactly make a factory barrel into a target match rifle. I have a bull on the current receiver and it's accurate. What can is best for 10/22 22LRs?
 
Grassman, I STRONGLY suggest you find and visit several Class III dealers in your area and find a good one that you trust. CIII dealers are generally head and shoulders above your average FFL dealer (read, not as stupid or as crooked ;) ) and if you can find the right one for you they will generally help you with the paperwork, tell you which CLEO will sign off or recommend an attorney for forming a trust if none will, etc. They want to get you through the first one because the first one is the hardest, and subsequent purchases will be easier for both you and them.

Many of the top suppressor manufacturerss webpages have "dealer finder" features and you can use this to find CIII dealers in your area.
 
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