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Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Sato Ord, Apr 14, 2008.

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  1. Sato Ord

    Sato Ord Member

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    When seconds count 911 is just minutes away, if the operator remembers to dispatch the police.

    I hope this man finds some peace.

    At least he's blaming 911 for the death of his wife and not the gun that the bullet came from.
     
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    Yet... we're supposed to believe that she'd have been perfectly fine just as long as she was completely disarmed and defenseless just like people in schools or airplanes. We're supposed to believe police are infallible guardians of society. That phonecalls will save your life. According to an article that was recently posted on this forum she should have been able to quickly defeat her abducter by laughing at his genitals. Pacifism is supposed to somehow be more civilized than self defense. The truth is it's blind luck if the system ever even works right and our society is completely insane.
     
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    Sadly, given the precedent of the (lack of) duty police have to protect individual citizens, his case may not get very far.

    May she rest in peace and her death not be in vain.
     
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    This is why we are all here. Why we are trying to help people like her, who were lulled into false security by the erroneous idea that police and 911 is an instant response.
    The only thing left to say is simply:
    "If only"


    An armed population is a safer population.
     
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    Wow, that's probably one of the biggest downers I've read in a while.
    I do hope he does find some peace, though I'm afraid it's going to be an age before that happens.
     
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    Can't remember ever reading anything more frustrating.
     
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    That is a downer. However, I don't think he'll have much luck in a mass civil suit against the 911 dispatchers, the cops, etc. Read my sig line.

    If the 911 dispatcher was held liable, such a ruling would open the flood gates to all types of law suits. Suppose the court said 30 minutes is too long and the 911 dispatcher is therefore liable. Is 15 minutes too long? How about 8 minutes?

    I say the answers are yes and yes. However, I’m also a lawyer. Such a ruling would help keep me employed as an attorney. It turns out that I'm more interested in what’s practical for society.

    Think about how such law suits would bog down the whole 911 system - deposing dispatchers, the manager, etc., for every single law suit. They’d be spending more time in court than on the phones, thereby going in the opposite direction from solving the problem.

    A better proposition is to spend our energy elsewhere. For example, help to educate the public that safety is a personal responsibility. Slowly but surely we should receive more traction simply by having more pro-gun people around.
     
  8. Sato Ord

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    jakemccoy, I agree with you. Nothing good will come of this, unfortunately.

    If that young woman had had a nice German Shepherd and a pistol when she answered the door things would be a lot different.

    Of course the press would then make the poor unfortunate out-of-work plumber the victim of the homicidal homeowner.

    There is no win in this. Even if they could sue the dispatchers successfully it won't bring that young woman back, and it won't change the fact that you can't depend on the police when your life is in immediate danger.

    I made this post more to illustrate that the police can't protect us, regardless of how hard some of them try, than to say that 911 should be overhauled.

    I hope that this country gets sane soon, otherwise I have a feeling that the antis will get our guns and we will all be trouble. When are people going to learn that disarming law abiding citizens gives us a society made up of predators and prey.
     
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    Jake I can see your point, but at the same time I do feel that people who are charged with a job who's services directly relates to the health and well being of that services users do have a responsibility to act according to a set of 'reasonable' expectations.

    'Forgetting' to give responding officers the exact location of a potential kidnapping victim for over 30 minutes does not fall in the scope of those reasonable expectations as far as I'm concerned.

    Creating a standardized set of training standards and forming some metric that can be used to measure performance only seems logical.

    Mistakes are going to happen, in any profession, but determining if it was a foreseeable consequence is much a-kin to malpractice rulings in the medical profession. There is a checklist that must be met before an action can even be considered malpractice, from there the offending actions are looked into further.
     
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    Billy, I agree. What you said does not contradict what I said. Forcing standards may be better accomplished through state/federal lobbying rather than through a lawsuit. Unfortunately, I don't see a lawsuit going anywhere, and perhaps a loss in court would be detrimental to the cause.
     
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    Agreed as well...but it does seem the fastest/flashiest route for the husband and father. Which, if I were in their shoes I'm sure I'd want to get the ball rolling as soon as possible and get the information out to the most people as fast as possible.

    As far as your last sentence...they may, at least have the exposure needed to push the lobbying over the edge and get the backing needed in that respect.

    Who knows? I wouldn't be surprised to see them attack this from multiple angles, I know I would. Lawsuit, lobbying, televison spots, radio, billboards, whatever it takes.
     
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    Sorry, but there's no gun content in the original story.
     
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