SKS Accuracy... Dang...

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Originally Posted By The_Armed_Therapist "How do I measure the bore to know if the ammo I'm using is large enough for optimal accuracy? The difference between .308 and .311 seems awfully small to measure accurately... "

To get any really useful information, the best thing to do is slug your bore, there's a pretty good set of instructions here: http://www.surplusfirearm.com/2012/02/21/size-does-matter-slugging-a-bore/

Make sure your bore has been thoroughly cleaned and completely "decoppered" before you try to slug it, any significant amount of fouling can throw off your readings enough to make them useless.

Shooting a bullet of the proper size can make a huge difference in accuracy. I've got an old M-44 Mosin that never did any better than about 9 inch groups at 100 yards with any of the surplus ammo I tried. When I slugged it I finally discovered why, it actually miked at almost .316! Once I worked up a load with properly sized cast bullets, the little carbine would reliably group into about three inches from a good rest and on a couple of occasions when I held my mouth just right, it got close to 1.5 inches.
 
I had one that shot like that.

I built an AR with money I was gifted and traded the SKS for a Ruger Single Six convertible.

Both are far more accurate than that SKS.
 
I had one that shot like that.

I built an AR with money I was gifted and traded the SKS for a Ruger Single Six convertible.

Both are far more accurate than that SKS.

Blah blah blah .223 is less than optimal. If I ever went ar it would be 6.8 spc

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I have 3 SKS rifles, and shoot junk ammo, I get 5 inch groups with each, pure stock, no mods , all original. Russian, Chinese, and a Yugo @ 100 yards.
 
What kind of SKS is it? I have two Russians that I've kept totally stock and they will shoot 3 inch groups at 100 yards with Wolf or Tula ammo typically.
 
update. we took the sks down the range today, sighted in the scope and had a good time with it at the fifty yd range. We were shooting tula and wolf wpa with it, and shot the same with both. ran about 50 rounds through it, averaged right at 1.25" at fifty throughout. About every third grouping would be touching or close to a ragged hole. needless to say pop is happy!
 
Blah blah blah .223 is less than optimal. If I ever went ar it would be 6.8 spc

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Do you have a point here? I have a 5.56 upper, and a 6.8 upper.

My point was, I had an SKS that shot about as well as the OP's rifle. It was a fun rifle, and had some interesting history behind it, but ultimately, I dumped it because it didn't shoot accurately enough to be worth wasting money throwing rounds down its barrel, and got something I like better that shoots lights out.
 
If the gun will fragment a small target at 50 or 100 yards, it's good enough for many of us.
Tomorrow, hitting a 4" chunk of a concrete block from 120 yards is the objective: Enfield, FR8, Garand.
 
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Do you have a point here? I have a 5.56 upper, and a 6.8 upper.

My point was, I had an SKS that shot about as well as the OP's rifle. It was a fun rifle, and had some interesting history behind it, but ultimately, I dumped it because it didn't shoot accurately enough to be worth wasting money throwing rounds down its barrel, and got something I like better that shoots lights out.

Yeah,

All the ar fan boys rave about .223. I use .223 at work and it's nothing special. The 6.8 spc has the same terminal ballistics as a .270 thus more stopping power. There is a reason special forces that use the m 4 went with 6.8. It's because they knew .223 was crap. 6.8 also is a more accurate round than .223

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tnxd you are spot on. bigger hole + more energy is always a plus. A 6.8 does everything a 5.56 does and then some
 
tnxd you are spot on. bigger hole + more energy is always a plus. A 6.8 does everything a 5.56 does and then some

According to the research I've done there have been numerous cases in Iraq and Afghanistan where enemy combatants were not stopped with several shots from .223 rounds. (opium is a Hella pain killer). However the research I have done had shown the 6.8 spc to be the most effective one shot stop round for the m4 platform. Add to that the fact the 6.8 magazines for the ar can still hold 25 rounds you're not really losing much capacity wise. Plus your getting better accuracy and terminal ballistics from 6.8 spc.

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I found one thing that I'm wondering about. Is there supposed to be a "crack" or a hole of some kind at the gas cylinder front bracket? I guess since the piston needs some kind of force to operate, that this could be integral to the gun. When I held up the barrel to the sun, I saw what looked like a crack right around that spot. Is that normal?
WAIT A MINUTE. There is a big difference between a hole and a crack. If you think you have a crack in the barrel it's time to shut her down. Get to a smith and get that checked with a good eye and a bore scope. If that barrel has been stressed enough to crack STOP SHOOTING IT. You don't want it to come apart in your hands. I don't think I can say this enough, If you think there is a crack at the gas port, stop and get it checked out. Nothing else you do is as important as that.
 
You might want to try some wipe-out to clean out copper fouling and follow up with some JB bore polish. Removing copper fouling was a big help in one of my Mosins and the bore looked shinny before I cleaned it.
I did a trigger job on my Yugo and that helped a lot.
Most people don't get 3" groups with irons out of their SKS.
 
The factory sights on the SKS are, at best, glorified pistol sights, and in general, utter trash.

Spend the $60 for a set of Tech Sights. I did this, and my SKS went from a useless hunk of noise-making garbage that fired shotgun patterns at 100 yards to being about 4 MOA with Wolf and Russian surplus.

If you have a synthetic stock, you may have to do a bit of carving on it to accomodate the sights, but seeing as I consider my SKS to be nothing more than a redneck trunk gun, I'm ok with that.

A Kivaari trigger would also be a good suggestion as well, though I've no experience with them.

http://tech-sights.com/
 
The factory sights on the SKS are, at best, glorified pistol sights, and in general, utter trash.

I shoot my "factory sights" just fine. I don't regard them as trash. Never had a problem with them. But then I've been shooting with iron "rifle" sights for well over 40 years.

Tech Sights aren't going tighten up a 12" group at 100 yds.
 
I shoot my "factory sights" just fine. I don't regard them as trash. Never had a problem with them. But then I've been shooting with iron "rifle" sights for well over 40 years.

Tech Sights aren't going tighten up a 12" group at 100 yds.

Right

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Justin:
Have you ever watched any guys in a free stance with an AK clone, hitting a smallish gong from over 200 yards with the iron sights?
"Brandon 401401" appears to do it quite well from 300 yards. "Hickok45" is not bad at all from approx. 200.

It can't be called precision shooting, but I doubt that many people can do it. Shouldn't the SKS have the same potential, especially with the Tech Sight?
 
Well i'm reading bad reviews about the kns front site with several people saying it won't fit a Norinco. I'm thinking about maybe getting the skinny tech site front and painting the tip white.

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Ok, I see this thread is a little old, but I hope you didn't give up, and maybe my reply will help people who come here in the future. I was gifted a Chinese Norinco Sporter from my father. It was pretty cool looking in it's original wood stock, and light to boot. I took it out shooting a couple weekends after I got the thing, and being an ex infantrymen with thousands of hours of range practice and the only one in my company that could out shoot our CO, didnt think what happened was going to happen... which was I couldnt hit a dang thing. Ha, actually thinking back my girlfriend who had never shot in her life before she met me hit a bottle. But I didn't give up, cause I was already planning on bringing the looks of this Rifle to the 21st century. So I had previously ordered a Tapco Intrafuse stock, a pistol grip, bipod and other small accessories for the rifle which I received a couple of days after I had shot the rifle the first time. Once assembled I went out the following weekend and sighted it in. Once sighted in I set up targets and went out about 100 yards, and took a couple shots, direct hit. seemed to easy and the backdrop dirt clouds was telling me I could go farther, so I went as far back as I could before going over the wide dirt road and took a couple more shots. Again direct hits. That was probably about 475 yards. I didnt know of any other places i could go to try further distances. Well a couple months later a friend called me up asking if I wanted to come with him to shoot his roomates newly purchased fully upgraded 50-caliber rifle. Had been bought from a guy who does competition shooting and it had probably $10 grand of work done to it. We got out to a different range in the middle of nowhere drove to a spot and setup a bunch of targets, then we got back in the truck and drove about 2-3 minutes back up the road to a small hill overlooking the valley and the targets. Range was about 1325 yards. After having fun with the 50-cal, and completely blowing out the windows in his poor roommates truck do to the compression.. heh heh heh I told him that might happen, but he didnt wanna listen... anyways i thought hey for ****s and giggles let's see what's what with my sks. so i setup, re-adjusted my scope to the distance we were shooting and windage, probably had 11-15 mile hour winds that day, and took a couple shots, and missed. Oops, had turned the windage the wrong way, ok.. fixed it. took a couple more shots, adjusting for winds, and finally .. bam.. hit... bam .. hit. So, my conclusion with the sks, is ya'll better go out and get em while there still $150 dollars, because yeah, you can't hit crap over 500 yards in it's original form, but once you change out a few things like the stock for one, and a grip and bipod for stability, cost me no more than $160 actually for everything, you can do some damage with these suckers. My shot groups at the ranges of 75-500 yards are all within 3-5 inches in diameter. I dont really shoot over it but since that one day, but I do know you can hit targets with it at further ranges.
 
I know it's not the best stuff for accuracy, but my assumption was that jumping to 12" groups is way too large to just be an ammo problem.

I had the same struggle with mine. it IS the ammo! I shot Russian ball, and Samson Israeli soft pot ammo in my Chinese, and it grouped about as well as yours.

Just for kicks I handloaded loaded some 150gr bullets, some FMJBT, PSP, and RNSP. The FMJBT reduced the group size a little, the PSP cut the groups in half, and the Round Nose Soft Point (Speer) bullets are shooting groups of a about 4 inches at 100 yards, and are way better than my eyes! buy the way, these were .308" bullets!
 
Your gun may be "shot out". or you could have just got a crappy one. Quality control isn't that great in the PRC.
 
Well, I can't speak for the barrier penetration nor the 6.8spc ballistics. I've never owned one, nor aspired to. Its seemingly a dead cartridge, not widely available, and not something I can easily get components for. 6.5 Grendel covers that niche quite well apparently, so I wont get into a debate over ballistics at distance or barrier penetration.

What I will attest to is the hunting prowess a 223/556 has. I live in North East Missouri. The deer here are large, well fed, and have a knack for needing good shot placement with ANY bullet. Now, I've been using in one iteration or another, a 223 since 2003 for taking deer and coyotes here. If I recall, and I may have to access the DNR site for an accurate count of my tags filled, I have taken about 30 deer using a 55 gr Barnes VorTX at ranges up to and including 180 yards. I've recovered all deer shot this way, found adequate tissue destruction, and easily followed blood trails due to pass through shots. I have yet (knock on wood) to fail in finding a deer I've put a 223 into. All this, and our deer are much larger in size, weight, and hair thickness than those south of the Ozark Mountains. I cannot in good conscience say that 6.8 is "better" than 223/556. Its just another option among many, especially when its all about shot placement, adequate damage, and knowing ones limits. Had we been discussing the adequacy of 6.8 vs 556 in the battlefield theater I'd guess the 6.8 would shine for that purpose, as wounding is the name of the game, so says the Geneva Convention. But we aren't, we are talking hunting. So, while I assume you have tales of deer killed at 500 yards or better, with a DRT thrown in for good measure, I can't buy it at Walmart, the components for a rifle (barrel, bolt namely) and those needed to reload for are as hens teeth. Here, id be better off going 6.5 Grendel, which blows 6.8 away, or plop on a 300 blk upper if I felt I needed heavier bullets and marginally more energy. Heck, folks have been putting game down with 300blk with aplomb lately. And I can buy it locally, and it emulates the 762 but is more efficient, which has also taken a slough of deer over many decades in the SKS. I dont see 6.8 killing anything but my wallet. I need results, and a cartridge that puts meat in the freezer.

And 223, where legal, does that just fine.
 
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