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SKS or Kalashnikov?

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by Nashmack, May 13, 2006.

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  1. Nashmack

    Nashmack Member

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    Which one would you get? The shop I frequent has both Yugo SKS's for $150 (unissued condition) and a WASR-10 for $375. I'm stumped as to which one I should get:(
     
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    WASR 10...just look for canted gas tube and front sight... also magazine wobble....i have an sks and a wasr....sxs is a little more accurate...wasr is loads more fun....
     
  3. Nashmack

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    If I could find a couple more bucks, i'd get both. Do you know anywhere I can get inert rifle grenades for the Yugo SKS?
     
  4. kentucky_smith

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    SKS + TECHSIGHT

    better safety on sks


    Just have to reload after 10 rounds.
     
  5. mainmech48

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    Kinda depends on personal tastes and what exactly you anticipate doing with it.

    Accuracy is pretty much a toss-up. 4-6" groups with run-of-the-mill ball at 100 M about the norm for as-issued examples of either. The odd stock SKS or AK can be found that'll do 2-3", which is about the best you can expect from an expertly-massaged "custom".

    Weight ditto. Either will come in at about 8 1/2 - 9 #.

    Sight radius on AKs is very short, which affects the potential to deliver accurate fire for most folks. On the SKS it is longer, hence a bit more forgiving. Issue sights on both are coarse and fairly rudimentary.

    Aftermarket support for both is strong, for replacement parts and accessories.

    Both are simple, rugged and durable, as is to be expected when machinery's designed to be used and maintained under hostile conditions mostly by poorly trained conscripts.

    Either will make for a perfectly servicable carbine of considerable utility. The only practical objection that I have to the Yugo model of the SKS is the lack of the chromium plating on the bore and chamber found in nearly all other AKs and SKSes. Tastes vary, but I prefer it for the anti-corrosive properties and the ease of maintenance. But then again, when I started shooting SKSes extensively almost all of the ammo was surplus and corrosive to some degree, so YMMV.

    I don't own an AK myself. Everything I anticipated needing or wanting to do with a semi-auto 7.62x39 I can do well enough to suit me with an SKS, so I never spent the extra money for an AK clone. Without the option to rock-'n-roll, it just seemed pretty pointless. Unless the cosmetic "Gee Whiz" factor makes it worth the extra money to you, I'd say get an SKS and spend the difference on ammo.
     
  6. brandyspaw

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    While my experiences with the WASRs has been less than great I would
    pick the WASR before the SKS. Its just a more versatile weapon if you really
    need to use it. I would prefer it due to the magazine capacity. Both weapons
    have limits due to the 7.62x39 cartridge and while the SKS is usually more
    accurate the additional capacity and shorter, handier length make the AK
    better for a SHTF situation.

    That's the only reason I would want anything in that caliber. I realize there are some who use the SKS for hunting where it would be a better choice but I
    would pick the WASR overall. This coming after the many problems I had with
    the WASRs with loose mags, canted sights, trigger slap, etc.

    I would, however, spend the extra $100-200 for a Vector or a custom build after the experience I had. That said, the WASR can usually be corrected into a good gun. You just have to look at it as a pre-assembled kit gun where you do the final quality control.
     
  7. Nashmack

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    A little more information:

    The WASR is a sidefolder, with a wood forend, no "gangster grip".

    Have any of you done a Kalashnikov build before? Is it something I can do with no gunsmithing experience?
     
  8. The Grand Inquisitor

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    AK's are superior weapons to SKS's- pure and simple. The SKS is a nice gun for its price, and it served its niche in the little historical period that it occupied, but the AK-47 and all other Kalashnikov variants (that extend to Finnish AK, Israeli Galil's and Magal's, PKM's, Sig 550 series, etc...) are superior in every aspect over the Simonov design. That's not to say that the SKS isn;'t a nice an fun gun to have, and some Simonov guns are beautiful and shoot well, but when it comes down to it, for range shooting, personal defense, and military or SHTF combat, the Kalshnikov is simply a better weapon.

    there is a reason that the Kalashnikov design has been alive and constantly used for 60 years, while the Simonov's life span was barely 20 years.

    If you are really interested, I would recommend that you get an AK-74 in 5.45x39. The 74 is a redesign of the 47 and the 5.45 cartridge is a little beast (the Muj in the Soviet/ Afghan war called it the "poison bullet" because of the internal damage it causes because of the design of the projectile).

    Still, going with an AK-47 in 7.62x39 is a great choice and good start in the world of Kalashnikov's. Ammo is cheap and plentiful (although it is a little bit tight now, though the situation will clear up) and with some work on your part to learn the rifle, you can be very accurate out to about 350 yards with iron sights.


    I mean no offense to Simonov lovers and collectors - my opinion is biased because I am a huge fan of Kalashnikov's, but my opinion is based on my personal preferences, as well as the facts.


    Get the AK--you won't be disappointed..
     
  9. Nashmack

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    How's the 7.62 recoil wise?
     
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    Ak. I know Saigas are a little more expensive but they are great.
     
  11. The Grand Inquisitor

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    Not much.

    The AK absorbs the vast majority of the recoil. While 7.62x39 has medium recoil (equililent or a little less than .223) AK 74's in 5.45 have little to no recoil.

    One of the reason I love my 74's so much (I have both a Romanian CUR II with a PSO-1 and a Polish TANTAL) is because you can fire 3 three well aimed shots in the time it takes to fire one with a rifle in .308. Recoil from the 5.45 is not much more than 9mm out of a carbine-nothing.
     
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    Nashmack, one other AK variant to consider is a Chinese MAK90. Much better fit and finish than a WASR. It does have a dorky thumbhole stock but there are ways to improve that. Ironwood designs has some really nice conventional AK-type stocks that will fit it. These would necessitate the installation of a few US parts to comply with sec922r. Choate makes a druganov-style stock that's also pretty decent.

    AK recoil is mild, a little more than an AR15. I could shoot one all day if I could afford to blow that much money on ammo. I sure do miss those 80.00 cases of 7.62x39mm.

    -jagd
     
  13. The Grand Inquisitor

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    Chinese made AK's are of very high quality, even though people who tend not to know much about them think they are poorly made before having seen or fired one.

    Only problem is that Chinese AK's are slowly becoming harder and harder to find and a nice Poly-Tech can cost nearly $1000 now.


    Also, the only AK maker that you should avoid is Vulcan Arms or Hesse Arms (it's the same company but they had to change their name to Vulcan because Hesse had such a poor reputation). They're an American company that absolutely butchered AK's a countless other firearms - avoid them at all costs.
     
  14. Nashmack

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    The only MAKs I've ever seen in the local shop was a scoped out pair chambered for .308:(
     
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    I would only get the SKS if you plan to leave it as-is. If you plan to tacticool it (high cap detachable mags, new stock, optics), then just get the AK.

    The SKS is a reliable and fun little carbine, but those who really soup them up don't gain much in accuracy, and an AK would be the same price (and more reliable at its finish) than the whole build up. Depending on the SKS (if it's a Yugo 59/66) there's a fair amount of work in cleaning out the cosmoline (and if you plan to mod it, you have to begin by making it 922r legal; a fair amount of work and money itself).
     
  16. The Real Hawkeye

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    Assuming they are both in good condition (always check bores before buying SKS rifles), keep in mind that an SKS is a real front line military rifle of a major super power (The former USSR), while the other is something manufactured from inception as a product to be shipped off to America to be sold to civilians on the cheap. That's not to say I don't like the civilian AKs. I have two good ones (both of Bulgarian manufacture), but they are not put together by people who are expecting their own countrymen to be depending on them for the defense of their own country. If you have a good one, though, the AKs are probably, all things considered, more useful as a combat weapon than the SKS rifles, but not by much.
     
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    Hi The Real Hawkeye,

    EXCELLENT point.

    Kevin
     
  18. The Grand Inquisitor

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    Sorry Hawkeye, but your point is flat out wrong.


    When was the last SKS issued to troops? The late 60's.

    The SKS was never widely used by any superpower because by the time that the SKS was gaining steam, it was surpassed by the AK.

    Also, the Romanian AK's that come into this country come from various manufacturing plants, like RomArm, that build rifles for the Romanian military. The same goes for the Bulgarian and Polish rifles that come in; American companies go to these countries, buy big numbers of the rifles in mil-spec loadout, disassemble them, ship them back to the US, and then rebuild them as per US law.
     
  19. trickyasafox

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    i dont own an ak but i have 2 sks's. both yugos, a m59 and a m59/66. i didn't get an AK because it can never be anything but a range gun/shtf gun. Not saying that isn't a good thing and their isn't a place for them, but if push really came to shove, an sks isn't a terrible hunting option with only slight modification and i am still at the point in my life financially where i cant afford a 350+ dollar gun that can't serve more functions. my 2 sks's delivered to my door were 304$ thats to my door, no other charges incurred. with the 70 dollar difference i can get 500 rounds of ammo. (used to be a case i hear:uhoh: )
     
  20. MagnumCaliber357

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    :scrutiny: Minght I suggest an SKS model D or M?

    The model D and M's accept standard AK magazines

    Kina "best of both worlds" for you ! :D

    And I thought 922r refered to Assault Weapon Ban? Correct me!
     
  21. trickyasafox

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    922r refers to the "10 or less game" if a rifle is imported as a curio and relic to stay legal it has to be left in the configuration it was imported in. IE with bayonet and all the parts. if you change it, you have to replace 10 parts with US made ones. at least thats how i interpreted it. i could be wrong though i dont pretend to know much about anything :)
     
  22. The Real Hawkeye

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    How could they require that you keep the bayonet on to avoid being a Federal criminal? That's absurd. The bayonet is not an essential part of the rifle, and comes off with the turn of a screw. Additionally, bayonets can break. If it breaks, are you telling me you can't take the remaining part off and order a new bayonet to replace it? I can just picture ATF agents storming Bubba's house because he dropped his SKS from a tree stand and the bayonet broke, so he took it off and is waiting for the replacement to arrive. At some point you just have to call BS on some of these things.
     
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    I'm not going to weigh the pros and cons of the two platforms. They'll keep making AK clones for awhile, but SKS rifles are going to dry up eventually. If you want one, I'd get it. That's a decent price OTD for one in unissued condition.

    jmm
     
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    bragging rights-ak shooter-sks fun-ak mods-equal hunting-sks.....you decide
     
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    bragging rights-ak shooter-sks fun-ak mods-equal hunting-sks.....you decide
     
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