Sks versus the m-1 grand

The sks verus the M-1 grand

  • SKS

    Votes: 22 15.6%

  • M-1 Grand

    Votes: 119 84.4%
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Are we sure that the Garand actually is more accurate? What was the standard for WWII? I thought it was something like 4-6 MOA. I think our nostalgia clouds our eyes - especially when it comes to the Garand and 1911.
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My first Garand was/is a 5 digit s/n (Aug 1940) and is as received from CMP. It's a lot better than 4 MOA, probably 2 MOA shooting USGI M-2 Ball. My other Garands are as good or better. The spec may have been 4-6 MOA, but the rifles were better IME. The SKS isn't is the same league.
 
i can't believe what i am seeing. the original poster uses no english gramar or punctuation at all, and cant even spell m-1 garand. and he wants to compare the sks to the m-1 garand, that is just stupid. the two aren't even in the same power league, build quality, accuracy, or even material quality. the only thing they have in common is that they use stripper clips

my m-1 garand is a solid 2.5moa gun in my hands, and i dont base my groups on luck either. that one 4moa group that you made with your sks and roled up nice and neat to show off and say "see! look my sks can get good groups too!!!", yeah that one. it's just not in the same league as the garand.

i have shot an sks ONCE and i think ill keep it that way. it got a case jammed in the chamber!!! it would barely stay on the 6" paper plate's in the hands of everyone in my family. and it was barely lighter than my garand and it was only 3" shorter. yeah its a lot handier!;)

the only time im going to buy an sks is when the SHTF and i get them to hand out to family friends. not because they're good, not because they're accurate or powerful, but because they cost $90 and they shoot a cheap bullet.
 
The .30-06 is much more powerful, with a much longer practical range. The M1 is much more accurate. The only advantage to the SKS is that it is a bit lighter, you can carry a bit more ammo, it loads ten rounds to the M1s 8, and it takes down for mainenance easier. If your ranges are always going to be within 150 to 200 yards or so, the SKS might be your pick for those reasons. Otherwise, the M1 Garand is my pick. Much more powerful; Much longer effective range; Much more accurate.
 
The SKS is lighter, has less recoil and holds two more rounds. It can also be topped off with single rounds. Those can be plusses. It used to be said the ammo was cheaper too, but that is becoming not so true anymore.

That said, I would give up all twelve of my SKS to keep my one Garand for any scenario that I can think of where I'd need or want a rifle. The Garand is a MUCH better rifle.
 
Apples and Oranges

other than the fact that both are semi-automatic rifles that were used in wartime, there's not much to compare. 7.62x39 isn't nearly as powerful a 30-06. SKS is much lighter than a Garand. I will debate the accuracy, as my SKSs are reasonably accurate, but only if using better quality ammo. If you shoot the "cheap stuff" as I and many others do, its not so accurate. Still, the accuracy edge would go to the Garand for the most part.
 
i can't believe what i am seeing. the original poster uses no english gramar or punctuation at all, and cant even spell m-1 garand. and he wants to compare the sks to the m-1 garand, that is just stupid. the two aren't even in the same power league, build quality, accuracy, or even material quality. the only thing they have in common is that they use stripper clips
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Well if you wanna get technical the M-1 Garand DOES NOT use stripper clips. It uses en bloc clips. In a stripper clip the rounds are stripped off of the clip into the magazine; en bloc clips are inserted into the magazine box where they hold the ammo until ejected.
 
i think what he ment

With the 30-06 comment was that the 7.62x39 is the caliber the others are judged by in Russia, the way we compare every thing to the ‘06
 
i can't believe what i am seeing. the original poster uses no english gramar or punctuation at all, and cant even spell m-1 garand. and he wants to compare the sks to the m-1 garand, that is just stupid. the two aren't even in the same power league, build quality, accuracy, or even material quality. the only thing they have in common is that they use stripper clips

my m-1 garand is a solid 2.5moa gun in my hands, and i dont base my groups on luck either. that one 4moa group that you made with your sks and roled up nice and neat to show off and say "see! look my sks can get good groups too!!!", yeah that one. it's just not in the same league as the garand.

i have shot an sks ONCE and i think ill keep it that way. it got a case jammed in the chamber!!! it would barely stay on the 6" paper plate's in the hands of everyone in my family. and it was barely lighter than my garand and it was only 3" shorter. yeah its a lot handier!

the only time im going to buy an sks is when the SHTF and i get them to hand out to family friends. not because they're good, not because they're accurate or powerful, but because they cost $90 and they shoot a cheap bullet.
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This entire post is retarded. You butchered the English language almost as bad as the original poster in your second sentence. As mentioned, they don't both use stripper clips. I've shot at least half a dozen SKSs and every one of them--Chinese and Russian--would do better than 4 MOA on a regular basis with Wolf. My current Yugo with TechSights does much better--about half of that actually. Beer bottles at 200 yards isn't an impossible feat. All with Wolf ammo--cases of it--and despite this only two malfunctions, both ammo related. My grandpa somehow allowed one of his 165 gr hunting loads to get in his Garand and bent the op rod. Does that mean I should conclude "the greatest battle implement ever devised" was a POS? Hardly.
 
Garand, Fine Canadian inventor :neener:

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A Quiet Genius Who Gave
To His Adopted Country
"The Greatest Battle Implement Ever Devised"
The M1 Rifle
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critical differences

The "gooks" tied up in the trees at approximately 200 m did pretty well with their SKS's on me and my friends in 1968.

I'm glad they didn't have M1's. That is a difference. And this was a "serious firefight" as stated by one poster. All of mine were that way. The SKS was accurate enough that it kept me crawling around every time dirt kicked up near my head, but then, I gave those men as small a target as possible.
So I suppose the SKS is good if you are shooting fish in a barrel.

Sorry for the political incorrect "gooks," but we called them that because we hated them, and that is the way it is.

The round that struck me hit a little mound in front of me. I saw the splash.
It punched me in the neck, and I did a lot of bleeding, but had to ignore it, and keep busy with more pressing matters. Again, I'm glad it was not a 30-06, 180 grain round!

Oh, and we did return fire at the glimpses of those guys we saw. I wish I had an M1 or even M14 to do that, rather than the "varmit gun." When they are suicidal, or had been tied up in a tree so that they wouldn't fall out, then it is better to have a real serious battle rifle.

Jim
 
A more appropriate comparison would be the M1 Garand vs. the FN-49.

Both rifles shoot a pretty comparable round (30.06 vs 8mm).

Both rifles use "clips" instead of mags.

Both are relatively the same in accuracy (with the M1 being a little more accurate). But the FN-49 carries 10 rounds instead of the M1's 8 rounds.

Overall pretty good rifles both of them.
 
from Wikipedia:
John Cantius Garand (January 1, 1888 - February 16, 1974) was a designer of firearms most famous for creating the first semi-automatic rifle to be put into active military service, the M1 Garand.

Garand was born in St. Rémi, Quebec, and moved as a child to rural Connecticut **. He attended school until he was twelve years old, and then became employed in a textile mill, where he was later promoted to machinist. After gaining the necessary experience, he was hired at a tool factory in Providence, Rhode Island.

His fondness for machinery and target shooting blended naturally into a hobby of designing guns*, which however took a more vocational turn in 1917. That year the United States Army took bids on designs for a light machine gun, and Garand's design was eventually selected by the War Department. Garand was appointed to a position with the United States Bureau of Standards with the task of perfecting the weapon. The first model was not built until 1919, too late for use in World War I, but the government kept Garand on in a position as consulting engineer with the Springfield Armory.

In this position he was tasked with designing a semiautomatic infantry rifle. After several preliminary designs, and quite a bit of detail work, stretching over fifteen years, to perfect the model to Army specifications, the resulting M1 Garand was patented by Garand in 1934 and began mass production in 1936.

For his work with the Springfield Armory, Garand was awarded the Medal for Meritorious Service in 1941, and the Medal for Merit in 1944. A bill was introduced in Congress to award him $100,000 in appreciation, but did not pass. Garand remained in his consulting position until his retirement in 1953, and died in Springfield, Massachusetts.

The pronunciation of the name Garand is often an issue. It is pronounced variably as 'guh-RAND' and 'GARE-end.' While many would disagree, descendants of John Garand along with close friend Julian Hatcher generally agree it should indeed rhyme with 'errand.' The former pronunciation, however, is the more common though technically incorrect pronunciation.
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* - Good thing we have overbearing, unconstitutional federal law to prevent that from ever happening again!

** - Born in Quebec, but moved to Connecticut as a small child. I have a hard time considering someone who was born in another country but grew up in America as anything other than an American.
 
that's why I put quotation marks around "clips"......

My point was they both do not use detachable mags.

My opinion is the FN-49 is a better rifle....(FLAME SUIT ON).........
 
rebelz, i apologise for my insult's, but you can't deny the fact that it looks like you wrote that post at 4 o-clock in the morning.

and to all the people that dislike my sks experience, i will admit that it was a little exagerated. the part about jamming is still true though.
 
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