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Skyy CPX-1, am I the first?

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by SnakeEater, Nov 22, 2005.

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  1. SnakeEater

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    I've ordered a Skyy CPX-1 for $282 shipped. I haven't read much of anything about it so I thought for that price I'll be the guinea pig. It's a 9mm roughly the same size as a Keltec P11, holds 9 rounds. Range Report will follow later next week.
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  2. gvass

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    What is it?

    Who is the manufacturer?

    Link please!!!

    Looks like a Kel-tec P11 with manual safety, adn single stack magazine...
     
  3. Seraph

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    The manufacturer is Skyy, and, according to another thread, the weapon was designed by a former employee of Kel-tec.
     
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    And why anyone need ambi manual safety on a DAO gun?:))
     
  6. PCRCCW

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    The safety is lawyer crap, supposedly the trigger is way nicer than my P11 n the slide is Stainless Steel.

    Its funny....Im an avid KT guy and on the KT forums, a mole/spazz/troll posing as a VERY SATISFIED customer of Skyy giving the gun the most rave reviews..was later busted as the companies VP. That in itself makes me wonder about the gun..........which is a shame.

    Shoot well.
     
  7. ABBOBERG

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    It's about time KT got some competition, even if it is from a former employee!
    I wonder if the Skyy also blackens the forearm and only burns half the powder like the KT's....:(
    I don't think there are any patents to be concerned about - the only one I've found on the USPTO.gov website for KT is for their belt clip. The P11, P32, etc. all have the same scheme as the Grendel, so if there is a Grendel patent (under which company name?) that hasn't expired yet, there would likely be a patent violation.
     
  8. Wilson 17&26

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    The manufactures of this pistol are not former employees based on their personal statements on the KTOG Forum. While it is a bit more expensive, somewhat heavier, carries 3 or 4 fewer rounds, it does have an external safety, if that is your preference. My daily carry is a P-11 and I don’t mind seeing a bit of competition, if it keeps Kel-Tec improving their product.

    While I refuse to own a pistol with a safety, I’m sure the folks in ********** welcome this new gun.

    PS the owners manual states standard ammo, not +P, which is acceptable for the P-11.
     
  9. saands

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    I picked mine up today ... I'll mostly just cut and paste the e-mail of the range report that I sent the company:

    I just got to the FFL today and picked up the two-tone CPX-1. I really liked the stainless slide and it felt just right in my hand. I took it home for a rapid clean and then off to the range.

    The first thing that I did was shoot a mag of each of the types of ammo that I had over the Chrony to see what the 3.1" bbl gave me. I can send that data if you are interested. (I'll just insert that data down a ways ...)

    I then hung up a couple of targets at 10yds and slow fired a magazine into each (off-hand). By my estimates this CPX-1 shot the Winchester White Box FMJ ammo into a 9-shot group of about 3.2 inches. It shot the Fiocchi 121gr JHP into a 9-shot group of 2.7 inches. The sights were easy to see, but I wasn't thrilled that it shot, on average, 3 inches high at 10 yds.

    The following brands of ammo were tested:

    Winchester White Box 115gr FMJ (1021 fps)
    Remington UMC 115gr JHP (1005 fps)
    Sellior and Bellot 115gr JHP (not measured)
    Brown Bear 115gr FMJ (785 fps ... this stuff redefines MILD!)
    Brown Bear 145gr JHP (925 fps)
    Fiocchi 115gr JHP (985 fps)
    Handloaded 124gr XTP-HP (1,025fps)

    I shot at least 3 mags of each ammunition except the S&B and the Brown Bear 145gr, of which I only ran one mag and 2 rounds through, respectively.

    In total, I shot 17 magazines through the CPX-1. I had 10 failures to eject, 2 failures to feed (one each with the S&B and Remington), two failures to ignite (S&B and reload with CCI-500 primer), and two delayed ignitions (Remington and WWB). The only brand that had zero malfunctions was the Brown Bear 115gr FMJ which incidentally yielded velocities less than 800fps from the 3.1" barrel. The delayed ignitions took a split second to fire, but there was an audible click of the primer strike and after a perceptible delay the round went off.

    My opinion is that the pistols mainspring was chosen to optimize the trigger pull and it may be that it isn't quite strong enough to provide reliable ignition. This isn't a target pistol, however, and I'm sure that you would agree that reliability is paramount. I should note that both of the failures to ignite did ignite on the second pull of the trigger.

    All in all, I really liked the look and feel of the pistol. The trigger was smooth and easy (maybe a little too easy for reliable ignition) and the sights were quite usable. Although one of the mags wouldn't hold the slide open when I tested it manually, all 4 magazines that I have held the slide open under normal firing conditions and that is all that really matters. The frequency of failures that I experienced with this pistol, however, was fully an order of magnitude too high for my tolerance. I have purchased many pistols (new in the box) and my experiences have been that they typically fail at rates considerably less than 1% and this one failed at a rate of 9.2% over the first 153 rounds using 7 different types of ammunition. I was really hoping that I would get a winner with this, but I feel like that just didn't happen.

    Saands
     
  10. PCRCCW

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    Well, I called Skyy yesterday and spoke with the Manager for minute about getting a holster mold to play with. Within an hour the owner called me back and talked with me for sometime.
    His name is Joe and he is very concerned about his products reputation, quality and just about everything else.....its his company. I have to say I was impressed. He's sending me a REAL LIVE GUN to make holsters with and Ill give you guys a real honest, no holes barred range report. My wife, buddies and I will all go shoot the gun and let you all know what I think..
    Shoot well...............Eric
     
  11. saands

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    Eric,

    I too spoke with Joe at great length after his VP's blunder over at the KTOG forum. Like you, I was impressed with him and that was the only reason that I decided to buy one and give them a chance afterall. I sent him my feedback directly. They are still a small company at this point and they should be able to make process corrections almost in realtime so it will be interesting to see if the one that they send you works better than the one that I got.

    I know you're a Kel-Tec guy so it will be interesting to hear your side by side comparison of the CPX-1 and the P11.

    Saands
     
  12. PCRCCW

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    Yep.....I agree. They should be able to get stuff changed quickly..they dont make springs. So that may take a little while to correct, if that is the problem, but it sounds reasonable.
    Im a Kahr/CZ/Kimber/STI/KT/Mak/FEG/Sig/others I forgot guy.......but I do like my little P11's alot. They have all been right up there with the others for reliability.......so, Ill give them a good head to head.
    Shoot well...............
     
  13. StogieC

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    Well, after shooting my father-in-law's CPX-1 today I was impressed with it's quality.
    Although I've only got about 50 rounds through the gun thus far, I figured all the good guns have a forum of their own, so I setup SkyyForum.com.
    We'll see what happens with this one, but it compared favorably against my old P11.
    I'll post more next time I get to shoot it but no malfunctions, good accuracy for a small defensive pistol, and no failures to feed with only about 10 rounds of 115 Sillvertips, 10 rounds 124 hydra-shocks, and 30 rnds of PMC 147 FMJ that I fired. My father-in-law shot more FMJ but I couldn't tell you how much. Maybe 50-100 rounds.

    PS. I don't work for Skyy, I've never met them, but I do live in the same area.


    Sean C. Caranna
     
  14. Wilson 17&26

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    . . . . and where did you say your father in-law work :confused:


    Sorry, I couldn’t help myself :)
     
  15. PCRCCW

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    Well....Ill get mine next week. Ill check out the forum.....cool idea.
    Shoot well.
     
  16. StogieC

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    ROFL! He's a retired electrician. :D
     
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    I'll be curious to see how "saands" pistol works after a cleaning / lube now that it's broken in. If it's a good pistol - great. There's always room for another good pistol.
     
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    Apparently this is a good pistol only if used lightly. 50-100 rounds per week and it is in total melt down. Mine has been back to the factory twice and repaired by the dealer once--all since mid-March. 20% failures to fire sent it back once, broken firing pin repaired by dealer, cracked frame back to Skyy again. Yesterday, 4th time to the range with the fixed frame, it stopped extracting, so it is now a single shot pistol. The Skyy has a lifetime warranty--question is, whose lifetime?

    I have a Texas CHL, and I don't believe you should carry a handgun, if you are not proficient and capable of controlling it and hitting only what you aim at. You cannot become proficient without practice. And this gun cannot seemingly stand up to my practice pace of 50-100 rounds per weekly session.

    Yes, it is a nice looking gun and ideally shaped for concealed carry in a IWB holster. My Springfield Armory XD-9 Subcompact is pug ugly, but it shoots every time.
     
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    Skyy already has a discussion board, I googled it yesterday just curious after I read a scathing post about a Skyy on the KTOG board. There seems to be a lot of broken firing pins and something about a retaining screw for the firing pin? Broken frame, etc, etc. I don't know. I'm not liking what I'm reading about 'em. Hope they can get their stuff a little better together.

    BTW, the guy's name is Kelgren, I believe, that started Kel Tec. He designed the Grendels originally, so the pattens for the Grendel are his. The Grendel was a bit of a flop, mostly, I think, due to the P10 and a couple of oddball designs, one chambering .22 mag, because I have a P12 and it's quite reliable an has fired quite a few rounds reliably. I think he dumped Grendel, designed the P11, and came back with "Kel Tech" and it turned out to be his gold mine in the gun business. The company's name is Kel Tec CNC and I think did or does contract machining, but I don't know if he does anymore since his gun business has been busy, especially after the P3 AT came out.
     
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    NEVER buy the first group of cars, dish washers, or guns. Let some other guy do the do the QC work. Give it 6-8 months.

    Kevin
     
  21. rhubarb

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    That's what happens when you aim low.

    They aimed to copy KelTec and it looks like they done it.
     
  22. bowserb

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    Do your homework!

    The moral here is study before you buy. After it was too late, I read of the Skyy executive who, posing as a Kel-Tec user, bad-mouthed the Kel-Tec line, and when he was exposed, just posted an "Oops, you caught me." as an apology. That kind of ethics would have turned me off the company from the beginning.

    Their repair for the cracked frame--of which there have apparently been scores, but each person is told "yours is only the third one of these cracks we've seen"--is to cut away that portion of the rail with the crack. Unfortunately, the aluminum rail needs more support than is left after the cutaway, so then it warps and bends.

    I got burned on this one. Don't let it happen to you. I was actually looking for the Kel-Tec P11 when the dealer "A Gun Shop" in west Houston, convinced me that the Skyy was an "improved" version. I can't imagine how the Kel-Tec could be bad enough for the Skyy CPX-1 to be an improvement! I wasn't particularly looking for a cheap gun so much as a small one. I'm sticking with my SA XD-9 Subcompact now. Ugly, chunky, and heavy...at least it works. BTW, I recommend the Pearce grip extension for the XD9SC highly. It gives your little finger a home, and makes it a lot more secure, for me at least.
     
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    I've been carrying a P11 for 9 years plus and lord only knows how many rounds it has through it. I've never had a problem with it, not one problem.

    If you're ever gonna be in the Port Lavaca area and wanna try it out, PM me and I can take you as a guest to our range and I'll let you try it. Its big knock is the DA trigger's length, but that is one of its endearing qualities to me. I like the trigger length of throw for safety reasons and it pulls and breaks very smoothly and very revolver like.

    If you don't like the P11 trigger, the PF9 Kel Tec is supposed to be a lot shorter and a little lighter at about 7 lbs from what I've been reading. I hear you'll have to wait until August for its release. It's a single stack, so will be slightly lighter and thinner than the P11. Kel Tec DOES stand behind their products, though I personally have never had to find out, just going on what I read on the net. They'll often sent out stuff free without even looking at the gun. I've been told if I asked 'em for the new 8 lbs trigger spring, they'd sent me one free, but I haven't done it. I don't have a problem with the trigger as originally offered.

    I must say, this thread and a few others have read have not been very good for my opinion of Skyy. At this point, I'll avoid them like the plague.
     
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    Not a bad gun, really.

    I fired about 50 rounds through it. The only problem I had is that I kept hitting the safety when the gun recoiled. I would get about 5 rounds off then I would have to push the safety back down. Anyway to remove the safety lever?
     
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