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Slight annoyance at range yesterday

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by mstirton, Dec 23, 2006.

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  1. mstirton

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    A dad shows up at range with 2 kids and the older (10-11) shoots a MkII. I don't think he aimed once. 10 shots in under 5 seconds every time. I think he hit the target at 10' about 5 times in 100 shots. Safety was good at least except for the muzzle flipping around and careless bullet spray. I liked to do the same as a kid with my 10/22, but only after I learned to hit something. Should I have said anything?
     
  2. mustanger98

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    I don't know whether you should have or not. Me being me, I'd have probably dropped a hint, but not being there, I don't know how I would have. "Hose 'em down runnin'" ain't the best way to let a kid just run with it. This kid needs to slow down, learn to hit with each shot, and he'll get faster with the accurate follow-up shots. Building speed first ain't gonna build accuracy. I'm agreeing with you. But some people, you can't talk to 'em.
     
  3. Missashot

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    It was very irritating I'm sure. But realistically, what could you have said? As long as they were being safe, not too much can be said just because they were shooting poorly and not even trying to hit the target. Hopefully in the near future, the kid will settle down soon and start wanting to hit the target.:)
     
  4. nramember2

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    I would have been glad to see the father taking the kid shooting, They are the future of our sport. I still like to "spray and pray" sometimes, Just to hear stuff go bang.

    By the way, shooting ranges are loud.
     
  5. Pumpkinheaver

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    I spray and spray myself sometimes. You ever bumpfire an AK no aiming involved, pointing yes, but aiming no.
     
  6. earplug

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    I see the same at my range

    I'm kicking myself for not doing what I thought about, offering to pay a dollar if they can keep ten shots in the black at 7-10 yards or what ever.
     
  7. mstirton

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    It is against this club's rules to rapid fire and, although I don't entirely agree with this, it makes sense when it is someone (ie. a little kid) who can't control his shots. The backstop is about 8' high and we're not supposed to shoot into the upper 2'. Past the backstop and about 2 or 3 miles downrange is a neighborhood and highway 290. I probably should have let them in on that closely kept secret "know your target and beyond". Anyway, it wasn't that big a deal, I should probably be a little more confrontational (in a good way).

    good idea earplug
     
  8. gezzer

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    Fudd club no rapid fire. Why bother going there I thought TX was a big state that likes guns.

    You said the kid wasn't unsafe and you yourself shoot a 10-22 that way. IMHO MYOB
     
  9. Mr White

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    The range I shoot at has no rules for rapid fire and on every trip I usually let my boys rip off a few mags from whatever I have along that day. Hell, I even rip off a few myself. A few mags here and there is one thing. spending your whole range trip wasting ammo is a completely different story IMO. Just out of courtesty, I wouldn't rip off too many mags if there were other shooters at the range.

    For the most part, when we shoot, we shoot from the bench or from position for score. I usually set up little matches for the boys (12 and 10) to compete for some stupid prize, like who gets to ride shotgun on the way home, or loser has to clean the 10/22, or something like that. They learn technique and safety on every trip and I seen nothing wrong with a little reward of getting to waste a few rounds of ammo.

    But really, as long as they're not breaking any range rules, what can you say w/o sounding like a busybody a$$hat? As long as they're obeying range rules, how they choose to spend their range time and ammunition budget is their business.

    I actually had a guy once tell me that shooting as fast as I was couldn't be accurate and that I should slow down and I'd hit the target more. I was practicing rapid fire sitting with my AR at the time. I went out and retrieved the target and shot a 10 round string of 96-3X. I made it a point to show it to the guy and made the comment "not bad for inaccurate rapid fire, huh?"
     
  10. Joe Demko

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    If no safety rules were broken, you should worry about how well you shoot and let them worry about how well they shoot. Unsolicited advice is more than a slight annoyance.
     
  11. Stevie-Ray

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    I spray and pray once in a while with the G26. Fun. Always with a new target, and always to see how many I can get in the black. Now that I can get them in the black I'll try to tighten it more.:D

    Don't think I would have said anything, so long as safety was being observed. But it sorta makes you wanna keep your eye on them. And that would screw up my day.
     
  12. DMK

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    Quite honestly, and I hope you don't take offense, but what business was it of yours? As long as he wasn't doing anything to hinder your safety or good time?

    I get out there with my nephew and my AK sometimes and bang away at 25 yards with the stock folded, just to have fun and release some tension. I'm sure it could bug the guy next to me making tiny groups at 100 yards with his bolt action varmint rifle. However, it's my range too. I payed my fee. I bought the ammo. It's within my rights to just go make some noise for no good reason.

    Some days I'm the guy with the scoped rifle trying to print tiny groups. If someone's in the next lane banging away, I'm just glad he's a gun buyer having fun and not someone who'll likely send money to Sara Brady or vote for Hillary Clinton.
     
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    Don't get me wrong; I've been known to rip off a couple of mags (or clips if I'm shooting the M1 Garand that day), but I'm simply of the opinion that a kid needs to learn to shoot before they learn to spray. That's how I learned... slow fire to see where I was hitting. I was so intent on hitting my target I didn't know I was missing so much fun trying to imitate a machine gun.

    This thread also reminds me of this one time at my local club's range. There's an older gentleman who likes to sit down at the bench and print groups with his .22's. Another guy there- he's a Class 3 hobbyist as well as being into sillouette, benchrest, service rifle and whatever else he likes. Well, both of those guys were there one day when I got there. The second guy was going to function fire his newly aquired M-16. I was going to function fire my M1 Garand after I'd gotten it cleaned up and a new op rod spring. So me and this other guy both... we slung up with our respective rifles and let 'er rip... him with a 20rd mag while I ripped through two en blocs. The .22 guy... he's sittin' down there at the other end with no hearing protection... go figure... he's complainin' about "man, yo guns are loud". Now, ya'll probably think me and the M-16er were shootin' at nothin', but we weren't. Or at least I wasn't... I picked out a rock and blasted away and most rounds came close. Right then, I just wanted to know I could run it wide open and not dump half a clip.
     
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    My range is pretty informal about things. If any of us have a problem with someone's safety, etiquette, or if they're hosing and out of control, we talk to the RO.

    Some of us rapid-fire sometimes. Hitting the rings at about 2.5 secs. per 7 rds of .45 is an exercise. Hitting the black with 10 rds of .22 in a few secs. is also fun. Watching someone bankshot rds off the floor in an indoor range stinks.

    It's great that the kid was even there. But control is the issue. Maybe next time he rips out 9, and the 10th goes --- where?

    I don't know what I'd have done in your spot. Here in Jolly LI, ya have to be 50 to legally hold a pistol-type-automatic-hand-gun. :D Which also stinks.

    How was dad doing??? :D
     
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    I don't offer unsolicited advice.
     
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    SINCE YOU ARE ASKING.... no.
     
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    Firing fast and missing the target is not unsafe if there is good backstop.

    Let the kids have fun.
     
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    You know the saying about opinions, so unless they were a threat to you, mind your own business. Then again, here I am offering my opinion! :p
     
  19. Wedge

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    Were you out in Manor? I thought that range was closing.

    Anyways, my only annoyance at the range yesterday was my poor performance.

    There was a guy next to me that brought his nephew with. We were at the 15 yard stand and the boy wasn't shooting so well (a Beretta 92, 9mm), like half of his shots hit the paper and half didn't. I thought about recommending going to the 7 yard range but then figured I would MYOB. The uncle was keeping him safe (like from shooting me) and he was only shooting one shot at a time.

    My range has a no rapid fire as well.
     
  20. Tom Servo

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    Unless he blows down the target lines and/or carrier. We get this alot at the range where I shoot. It's always rapid-fire Cleetus with the Glock 40 and his friends.

    If they're not doing anything unsafe, I just wait for them to realize how much all that ammo's costing them before they stop. I only know of one range around here that has a no-rapid-fire policy, and I got called out for doing controlled double-taps. "No more than two shots per second!" was their rule. MMM-kay.
     
  21. tubeshooter

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    I think I would have left it alone. The statements in the thread about 'unsolicited advice' ring true, and you say they were being safe. Let ammo prices reign 'em in...


    earplug's idea is about as good as I could think of if I were going to remotely bother with it.
     
  22. Sean Dempsey

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    It would have been pretty uncalled for to say something. They were being safe, leave them alone.

    Just because they weren't shooting how you want doesn't mean they were shooting "wrong".

    If you were shooting hoops at the local rec-center, and the kids weren't shooting their free-throws properly, would you get annoyed and want to say something? Unless they're throwing the ball at your head. mind your own business.

    The dad probably would have socked you in the face, anyways.
     
  23. ChickenHawk

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    I would have spoken up

    Sounds like you were at the ARC range to me. If so, your membership agreement (you're about to renew probably so you get to read it again) says that you SHOULD speak up if you see other members or guests misbehaving.

    If you read in the paper the next day that someone was killed downrange because of stray shots, or if somebody finds holes in their house's siding and the range is forced to close would you think you did the right thing?

    Those rules really are pretty important. I would have quietly mentioned to the parent that range rules require "Aimed shots" and that there is danger of strays going over the berm and harming someone.

    If that doesn't work I would have called the club president with a license number.

    Yes, the club takes it that seriously. Truly.

    Stay safe,
    ChickenHawk
     
  24. 51Cards

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    ChickenHawk, ++

    We can be Yule logs together and get flamed. :D

    PS
    A few years ago, we had a range close down because of a couple of 9mm that sailed into a living room some distance past the berm. Place called Calverton.
     
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  25. Monkeybear

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    Exactly. For me, teaching a new shooter, after covering safety I always let them spend some time spraying ammo. Its a good way to get over the novelty of shooting, concentrating on safety, and generally having fun.
     
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