Discussion in 'Legal' started by StephenT, Apr 17, 2008.
I've just got home tonight and checked my stack of mail. Still nothing from the Texas DPS.
"In December 2007 a large and unexpected spike occurred in new CHL applicants. The bottle neck was blamed on this sudden surge in applications plus a litany other problems: 5 data processing jobs unfilled, flawed licenses due to a new license fabrication process, fewer applications on line than expected causing more data entry by staff, finger print rejects, incomplete packages returned, etc."
"The universal complaint from DPS, which may be justified, was more money and authorization to hire more employees. They have added 12 temps to the 40 full time employees working only on CHLs. We were also told the number of employees has not increased since the beginning of the program in 1996."
Looks like I'm a pretty good guesser when it comes to state bureaucracies. Oughta be; I spent fifteen years around all that...
Folks, you better feel lucky the system works as well as it does. The DPS pay scales would make schoolteachers feel smug.
Geez, and I thought we had it bad where I live, with the Sheriff's Dept making us wait the maximum waiting period of 45 days (in almost every case) and charging the maximum fee allowed by law.
While I am waiting on my Texas CHL, is it possible to apply for an out-of-State one from a reciprocal state?
And if the reciprocal state license arrive first, can I use it to carry?
Rayden: Yes and Yes.
Florida is probably easiest.
I am one of the problems, forgot a piece of paper in my app. I sent it in, checked progress once (and got a courteous reply) and finally have my license. As I reside in CA, I am just happy I have it and can carry when I am out of CA. Can't carry here...not trustworthy enough...mostly only cops, criminals and campaign contributors/other glitterati can.
Charlie Cotton, the owner and admin of http://www.texasshooting.com/ web site, is a lawyer and a shooter who works closely with Alice Tripp and Jim Dark, TSRA's ExDir, on legislative matters. If you have applied or going to apply for a Texas CHL, please pass the time to completion info to Charlie. It will be used in the 2009 Texas legislative session to resolve the problem.
Yes, DPS has had a glut of applications of late. Fiscal 2007 saw 91000 application. That is up from Fiscal 2006 that saw 68000. In other words up by 34%.
Here are some neat stats on the progression of licensing. The number of active permits at the end of each year...
No doubt the work load has increased fairly significantly in the last year or so.
I think people get upset when they mail in their application and the $140 check gets cashed 2 days later, but when they call a month and a half later asking where their PIN is, they're told sorry your app isn't even in the system yet.
I did my application online, payment was instant and I received my PIN with my completed application a week later. It took the DPS website 57 days after they received my prepaid application for the status to go from "Packet Mailed to Applicant" to "Processing application.
Others, like myself, have a problem with the inconsistency of the DPS. One person's experience over on the Texas Shooting forum was that he had his license in hand within 70 days, and that was including having to send them additonal documentation about half way through those 70 days. I'm currently at day 75 with no license in hand, and no additional documentation requested. That is very inconsistent.
Texas CHL applications, & delays increase
Texas CHL applications and the related delays are still on the increase. I absolutely do not agree that there is any sort of a conspiracy to find ways to reject or delay licenses. On my last renewal there was a problem with the picture not being of good enough quality, and the DPS gave me a phone call to let me know. Since I was working in Austin, I went and had a new picture taken and hand delivered it to the DPS to the lady that called me. She was extremely nice and helpful and I received my license within a few days of giving them the new photograph.
An update on mine. From my original post:
It's now 4 weeks later and still nothing. This from a "lost license" process that is supposed to take 2 to 3 weeks.
Well, mine arrived in the mail at long last (of course, I've been out of town for the past two weeks). Nice to be able to pack again!
Mine arrived today, almost 3 months after the renewal date.
So glad I had the Florida to carry my over the gap.
I was going to let the Florida lapse the next time it came up but I'm going to go ahead and keep it renewed also.
A friend's wife got her renewal today. Time from DPS signing for packet (registered mail) to license in her possession was 39 days. Michael mailed his the same day but to a different PO Box as he had gone the on-line registration route. DPS signed for his 4 days later and he's still waiting.
I do my training the 14th of June and will have the packet in the mail the 16th. Even though I could by-pass the class and range, I'm going whole hog because on instructor is Judge Harle and another is a ADA and the primary is a DA's investigator. I'll perster them on "no retreat" and unlicensed possession in a vehicle per the changes Sept 1 2007.
Took the class on 13 Apr, mailed packet on 14 Apr. and received the CHL on the 31st of May. 6-7 weeks? My friend took the class the day before I did and mailed his packet on the 15th and got his chl on Tuesday. Both were renewels.
Not as bad as I had read that it was going to be.
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