GunLvrNLearner
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Which do you prefer in a small 9 a Kel-tec or Kahr
Small 9mm Kel-tec vs Kahr
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slashsplat
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Rohrbaugh R9.
loop
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I'm not interested in 9mm, but if you are asking whether I'd rather have a Kahr in my pocket or a KT the answer is Kahr. They cost three times as much and are worth three times as much.
Redlg155
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I've owned both brands and I'd rather have the Kahr. Kahrs can be a little finicky until broken in, but after a couple hundred or so rounds you are usually good to go.
With the Kel Tec the quality can be a bit "quirky" at times. The one P32 I owned had the mag release assembly fall out of the weapon during the first range session. I accidently left it in a damp place and forever ruined the blue job. No amount of cold blue woulf fix it. I could never get past a couple of mags without a stovepipe jam. I did the fluff and buff treatment and finally just lost confidence. I eventually sold it to someone more patient than I will full disclosure of the problems. Would Kel Tec fix the weapon to my satisfaction if I had chosen to do so? Absolutely.
The crazy thing is that I now own a Kel Tec P380 that hasn't given me one tiny bit of trouble. I don't trust all Kel Tecs, I just trust my own individual gun.
To be fair, I've heard of positive things about the 9mm Kel Tecs. Still, for a qood quality weapon with a excellent trigger, it's hard to beat a Kahr.
With the Kel Tec the quality can be a bit "quirky" at times. The one P32 I owned had the mag release assembly fall out of the weapon during the first range session. I accidently left it in a damp place and forever ruined the blue job. No amount of cold blue woulf fix it. I could never get past a couple of mags without a stovepipe jam. I did the fluff and buff treatment and finally just lost confidence. I eventually sold it to someone more patient than I will full disclosure of the problems. Would Kel Tec fix the weapon to my satisfaction if I had chosen to do so? Absolutely.
The crazy thing is that I now own a Kel Tec P380 that hasn't given me one tiny bit of trouble. I don't trust all Kel Tecs, I just trust my own individual gun.
To be fair, I've heard of positive things about the 9mm Kel Tecs. Still, for a qood quality weapon with a excellent trigger, it's hard to beat a Kahr.
tinygnat219
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I am not sure if I could own an 1100 dollar gun that couldn't fire +P ammo and needed a new recoil spring after 100 rounds.
mjrodney
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I stopped into a local dealer yesterday and looked at the Rohrbaughs.
Just for a second.
The price tag was more than $1400.
Just for a second.
The price tag was more than $1400.
Had a Kel-tec PF-9, liked it alot, no troubles with it after replacing the plastic mag release button with a metal one, but found that I couldn't fit my finger in the trigger guard with gloves on. I traded the PF-9 away and bought a Kahr CW9 to replace it. The kahr is a little bit bigger and heavier (and has a much more space in it's trigger guard) but clearly a higher quality weapon plus it is stainless. The Kahr is easier to shoot and more accurate (for me anyway) and I've had zero malfunctions with it from the first round.
I paid around $280 for the PF-9 and $400 for the Kahr, it is well worth the extra money.
I still have two Kel-tecs, a P3AT and a 9mm SUB-2000, and they a great guns.
I paid around $280 for the PF-9 and $400 for the Kahr, it is well worth the extra money.
I still have two Kel-tecs, a P3AT and a 9mm SUB-2000, and they a great guns.
Dollar An Hour
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PM9 all the way!
lazyeye
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PM9.
Owned the Kel-Tec, it wasn't reliable enough.
Owned the Kel-Tec, it wasn't reliable enough.
Papaster
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I haven't shot the 9mm, but I've shot the P3AT, and while I realize there are better, by far, ergonomics on the PF9, I still far prefer my wife's CW9. I got it for around $400 out the door, and it's one of the sweetest triggers I've got. Certainly the best double-action I've got on a Semi-Auto. I highly recommend the Kahr.
MrAnteater
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I owned two Kahr's and they were a huge disappointment. Constant jamming and one kept dropping the magazine. Not to mention the hefty price tag. I would never own anything made by Kahr again.
I own a Kel Tec P11, P32, and P3AT. The P11 and P32 are 100% reliable with all ammo. The P3AT is also reliable but touchy on ammo brands.
I would look at the Kel Tec PF9. It has a little less magazine capacity than the P11 but is thinner and has a lighter trigger pull.
I own a Kel Tec P11, P32, and P3AT. The P11 and P32 are 100% reliable with all ammo. The P3AT is also reliable but touchy on ammo brands.
I would look at the Kel Tec PF9. It has a little less magazine capacity than the P11 but is thinner and has a lighter trigger pull.
philbo
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Kahr. CW9, P9, PM9. All more expensive than Keltec and worth every penny.
One more vote for Kahr. I avoid GarbGuns (Garbage Guns) such as Kel-Wreck and Low-Point, like the plague.
Kahr, like every other handgun manufacturer, has produced some lemons in their time. However, their overall quality control, reliability and track record---is still markedly better than that of the GarbGuns.
As others in this thread have stated, Kahr's cost more, and are worth every extra cent.
Kahr, like every other handgun manufacturer, has produced some lemons in their time. However, their overall quality control, reliability and track record---is still markedly better than that of the GarbGuns.
As others in this thread have stated, Kahr's cost more, and are worth every extra cent.
Armed 24/7
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I sold my Kahr PM9, and was happy to be rid of it. Mine was an overpriced POS, in my opinion. I will never waste my money on another one.
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Of the two choices I would take the Kahr. I had to make a similar choice a few weeks ago and I went with the Walther PPS, if you haven't looked into them you should. It is kind of an uber thin baby glock.
usp9
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I paid $328 for my Kahr CW9 at a gun show. That's got to be real close to the Keltec 9 price. The Kahr has been a good, reliable shooter, surprisingly capable. I carry a HK but the little Kahr is impressing me.
I paid $375 for a used K9 that was a great gun too. Kahrs can be had for decent prices compared to the Keltecs.
I paid $375 for a used K9 that was a great gun too. Kahrs can be had for decent prices compared to the Keltecs.
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Kahr PM9
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Have 3 KelTecs- (2) P3AT's, (1) P11- all reliable right out of the box, as were the (2) P32's and a previous P11. Accuracy not outstanding, but adequate.
Also have a PM9094N Kahr- 3 trips to the factory before it shot to POA and functioned reliably. Now, however, it is more accurate than the Kel Tecs, and so far, 100% reliable, though it has only seen maybe 200 rounds since the last trip to the factory. The Kahr trigger is a lot nicer than the KT's.
Kinda went back to the 640/357 and 642/38...just trust them more. Wife still uses a P3AT, lighter and easier to keep out of sight at her business.
Also have a PM9094N Kahr- 3 trips to the factory before it shot to POA and functioned reliably. Now, however, it is more accurate than the Kel Tecs, and so far, 100% reliable, though it has only seen maybe 200 rounds since the last trip to the factory. The Kahr trigger is a lot nicer than the KT's.
Kinda went back to the 640/357 and 642/38...just trust them more. Wife still uses a P3AT, lighter and easier to keep out of sight at her business.
guntotinguy
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Kahr or Bersa 9...
MCgunner
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I've got a 100 percent reliable and very accurate P11 I've been carrying for 12 years. I ain't spending 3 times the price for a gun that will not do the job any better, or even 50 dollars more. The KT is proven and I trust it. The gun will put five rounds into 3.5" from a rest at 25 yards and knock down 6" plates off hand all day long. Do what you will, and you know what opinions are like.... I've got over 11,000 rounds though that KT, though, and it has never failed me, not even once, not even one jam. I've fed it all manor of cheap 115 FMJ, 105 grain lead SWC cast reloads, and carry it with 115 grain Hornady XTP/JHPs loaded to 1263 fps.
I've heard bad reports of Kahr service, none for KT, lifetime warranty. I've heard just as many complaints of the Kahr, maybe more than the P11. Only gripes I've heard on KT were the PF9 and they've been out long enough now to have the bugs worked out. Kel Tec has the absolute best customer service and warranty between the two, one of the best in the industry. Keep your Kahrs, I'll carry my junk.
I've got over 11,000 rounds though that KT, though, and it has never failed me, not even once, not even one jam. I've fed it all manor of cheap 115 FMJ, 105 grain lead SWC cast reloads, and carry it with 115 grain Hornady XTP/JHPs loaded to 1263 fps.I've heard bad reports of Kahr service, none for KT, lifetime warranty. I've heard just as many complaints of the Kahr, maybe more than the P11. Only gripes I've heard on KT were the PF9 and they've been out long enough now to have the bugs worked out. Kel Tec has the absolute best customer service and warranty between the two, one of the best in the industry. Keep your Kahrs, I'll carry my junk.
buenhec
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I sold my KT's after repeated problems and trips to the manufacturer. My Khar MK9 has been flawless and a great carry piece.
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