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Smith 14-1 22lr price check.

Discussion in 'Handguns: Revolvers' started by ontarget, Jun 19, 2019.

  1. ontarget

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    Found a 14-1 in 22lr for sale. I could not find it listed in my S&W 4th Edition in 22lr only 38 Spl. Gun is in excellent condition with virtually no wear on the finish visible in the photos. Asking price is just north of $700.00. What do you guys think?
     
  2. cfullgraf

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    Are you sure it is not a Model 17 or Model 18? Those were the 22 LR version of the K-frames S&W revolvers with adjustable sights.

    As far as I know, all Model 14's were chambered from the factory in 38 Special.

    Generally, Model 14's and Model 15's were chambered in 38 Special. Model 16's were chambered in 32 S&WL except the Model 16-4 (32 H&R Mag). Model 17's and Model 18's were chambered in 22 LR and were the rimfire versions of the Model 14 and Model 15. Model 19's are chambered in 357 Magnum.

    It does not mean that someone did not convert a Model 14 to 22 LR but why.

    If it is truly a Model 14 marked gun that came that way from the factory, it is an oddity and worth some change if you can get proof the factory built it. S&W has a history of using incorrectly marked frames once in a while.
     
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  3. ontarget

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    That's why I'm asking here. I can't find the 14 listed in 22lr. The seller isn't too far away so it might be worth a trip to check it out.
     
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    Interestingly, there was an old archived post I found on the S&W collectors forum where another fella claimed to have a 14-1 chambered in .22. No pictures though.

    If its actually a 17, then the price is about right. Seems a bit high for a 14. If its a .22 built on a 14 frame, then its so rare that the value is whatever its worth to you and any other collector who wants to buy it from you.
     
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  5. Waveski

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    Until the caliber/model question is clarified speculation is not practical.
     
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  6. ontarget

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    You may be right but that is why I'm asking. If this is some sort of rarity I'd like to know about it.
    If there is anything special about it I'd like to go into the dealing process as knowledgeable as possible for my sake and the sellers.
     
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    Now that I think about it, I find it highly unlikely that its a .22 built on or converted from a 14 frame due to the differences in firing pin machining- the 17 has the pin mounted in the frame and the 14 has it on the hammer.

    Either it was misstamped, which would make it fairly unique but appealing only to a small slice of collectors (kinda like action figure collectors who look for figures with paint or packaging errors) or the seller is mistaken about either the caliber or the model number.
     
  8. cfullgraf

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    If the seller is close, it would be worth a look. Take a magnifying glass and flash light.

    Regardless, the 22LR K-frames and the 38 Special K-frames are good shooters.
     
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    I thought about this, but it would be more than just a barrel and cylinder swap. The firing pin hole would be positioned too low to strike the rim.

    If I had to place a wager on this, it'd bet the seller is mis-reading the "7" as a "4" or the frame was just mis-marked (which wasn't that uncommon)
     
  10. Waveski

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    I did not think about the firing pin configuration ... .38 vs .22 is a whole different machine.

    Now we want to know. Make the trip or have the seller send you very clear pictures of the cylinder , hammer , firing pin bushing , and model # at the crane. My money is on mistaken i.d. of the revolver.
     
  11. Driftwood Johnson

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    My money is on a simple misreading of the model number.

    In this photo we see a Model 14-3 with hammer mounted firing pin at top, Model 17-3 without hammer mounted firing pin at the bottom

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    I cannot imagine why someone would try to turn this:

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    Into this:

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  12. ontarget

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    You guys are probably right. I thought maybe I found a special run of a model 14. I will call the seller tomorrow to verify.
     
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    I definitely think it was mis-marked at the factory IF it is actually a M14. If so, that is kind of a specialty thing that some collectors would be really interested in. For me, years ago, I was attracted to the mis-marked Colt Diamondback revolvers, but the sellers were always asking a premium and I always passed. Even today they are not sought after.

    I have both a 4" M17 and M18. Nice guns. The M18's tend to sell for a bit of a premium over the M17's which are typically 6". For just shooting, I prefer a 4". Been pretty pleased with the 3" and 5" M63's I have overall and they tend to be the ones I shoot now. I like the higher round count and most of the shooting is essentially plinking anyway these days.
     
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  14. ontarget

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    Turns out it's a 34-1. False advertising. Actually I'm sure it was a typo. No blood no foul.
     
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    An older adjustable sighted J frame 22 still sounds like a nice gun to have. Albeit I am partial to K frames.


    My K22:
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    It is good the actual model number got sorted out.

    While the 34-1 (J-frame) is not a K-frame, they are nice 22 rf revolvers. They shoot well and are a bit smaller making them easier to pack or carry.

    The Model 34 is a continuing evolution of the 22/32 Kit gun.
     
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    Got this Model 34 for my wife several years ago. Like new in the box a buddy of mine who worked at the LGS set it aside for me as he knew I was looking for just that very thing. Great gun for beginners to learn on and very easy to shoot accurately with, especially with the addition of the Hogue Monogrip. If it's priced right I would get it if I was in the market for a quality DA/SA revolver.

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  18. ontarget

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    The price is north of $700.00. Not sure but that seems steep to me. That 34 looks very similar to the M94 Taurus I have although I'm very sure there is a difference in fit and finish.
     
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    It's very possible it could be a conversion. Jim Stroh used to convert model 66's to .22LR, relining the original barrel. The firing pin hole must also be welded up and reconfigured. However, I see no reason to do so with a model 14 when 17's are plentiful. I would wager the seller needs reading glasses. ;)
     
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  20. cfullgraf

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    I paid $700 for my 34-1 back at the height of the Obama era shortages. Maybe a bit high then but I’d suspect the price would lower as firearms and supplies are fairly plentiful these days.
     
  21. bannockburn

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    The price is a bit stratospheric to me too! I didn't pay anywhere near that though it was some years ago.
     
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