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Smith and Wesson Boycott

Discussion in 'Handguns: Revolvers' started by BluedRevolver, Sep 5, 2011.

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  1. BluedRevolver

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    I know S&W are owned by different people and the old boycott has been largely lifted, but there are still those who refuse to buy S&W products because of their betrayal in the 90's, along with the fact that s&w has yet to formally renounce their actions and they still have that Hillary hole.

    What are your thoughts on continuing the boycott that is largely over, and do you think it should be reinstated?
     
  2. F-111 John

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    Judging by the popularity of the M&P and Bodyguard lines of firearms, I'd say the boycott is pretty much over except for those few die-hards.
     
  3. gordy

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    Do you think the boycott worked?
    I don't think it did anything but give some people something to do.
    S&W is still in the handgun market and selling lots of them.
    As F-111 john put it only the diehards are still out there crying foul.
    I have always been a S&W fan, IMHO the best DA revolver maker.
    And I think the 3rd gen autos are the best out there, I am not to fond of the current line of auto's but thats OK as I have many of there older products.
    And I would like to know who was betrayed?
     
  4. SorenityNow

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    What boycott?? Someone please fill me in.
     
  5. Mike1234567

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    I never heard of the boycott but I only recently got back into firearms.
     
  6. gordy

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    Some years back when S&W put on there revolvers a small lock.
    A few people cryed foul and swore to never buy a S&W gun ever again as long as a lock was on it.
    S&W offers guns with no lock and with a lock.
     
  7. wlewisiii

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    I never paid attention to it any more than I ever worried about the locks.
     
  8. SorenityNow

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    Right ok. I know the lock you guys are talkin about. I though putting a lock on a revolver was the dumbest thing. I remember reading a article on the snubbie 357, the strong recoil would accidently lock the safety.I have never owned a safety lock revolver and prob never will. My smith has about a 7 or 8lb and thats enough safty for me
     
  9. Sam1911

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    Oh good grief. The company that owned S&W for a time made some errors. That time is past, those folks are no longer involved and S&W is one of the most successful and prolific gun-makers in the country and they do an awful lot to support gun owners and the shooting sports. A boycott over a two decade old issue is as silly as it would be ineffective.

    As far as the lock goes -- I'm no fan. But, there are plenty of guy buyers out there who think having a way to lock a gun so someone can't make it work when the owner isn't there is a pretty neat idea. Caving in to the antis is not -- by far -- the real reason they still add the lock. ... just like Springfield, Ruger, Beretta, etc., etc.
     
  10. PolymathPioneer

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    Is this evolving into another lock thread? :uhoh:
     
  11. bigtubby

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    I much prefer the older smith's and would not buy a new one partly because of the lock and mainly because of the price.
     
  12. elano

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    I won't buy a smith if it has a lock. I don't trust them. They prob work fine but I don't like the idea. Especiqlly when there are other manufacturers who don't have them and ysed guns on the market without them for much cheaper.
     
  13. JellyJar

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    I won't ever buy a new Smith and Wesson revolver with that stupid lock on it! However, I may, perhaps, buy one of their other firearms it the fancy strikes me.
     
  14. bannockburn

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    This is such a non-issue I don't know why anyone would even consider boycotting S&W products for something that happened so long ago; especially when they were under different ownership and during a different political climate.

    As for the IL; if you don't like it, don't trust it, or if you simply don't want it, by all means buy something else. Plenty of other revolvers out there to choose from.

    Time to lay this so-called economic activism against S&W to rest!
     
  15. ColtPythonElite

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    I didn't realize there ever was a S&W boycott. If there still is I don't support it. Wheel gunners should buy lots of Smiths, both new and used. That leaves more Colts for me...
     
  16. CajunBass

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    Other than a Sigma that I bought to see if it was as bad as "everyone" says it is (it's not, good gun IMHO), I haven't bought a new Smith & Wesson in years. Of course on the other hand I haven't bought a new Ruger, or Colt either. I buy used guns almost 100%.

    The lock doesn't bother me. If I happen to see something with a lock that I like, I'll buy it. For anyone who wants to "boycott" Smith & Wesson (or Ruger for that matter), knock yourself out. It's ok with me.
     
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    I have always loved S&W revolvers and honestly never cared about the agreements they made. The fact of the matter is, there is no other company that offered the level of quality and selection that S&W offered. Back in the height of the boycott if you wanted well made and light revolver for carry there was only one option, S&W. The only other options was Taurus or Charter, both junk IMO.
     
  18. Strykervet

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    The caving in was the problem, the fact we had a very lively gun ban atmosphere at the time, and the gun industry was largely on the anti's side! Let us not forget this. Bill Ruger was the original idea for the high cap. mag ban --his exact words were "no honest man needs a magazine that holds over 15rds." Really? I thought I was honest. Not honest enough for Bill Ruger, no sir, telling the truth isn't enough. You needed to pass a sniff test too.

    Smith caved in and sided with the Clintons. They did this to save their own bottom line, they are after all a corporation. Ruger did too, actually drafting a lot of the wording for ban. He only "wanted to save his little rifle". And destroy the competition. And make a lot of cash. And deem you a criminal for owning high cap mags. And make it to where the only 5.56mm semi auto rifle you can own is the Ruger Mini-14. Thanks Bill, you'll always be remembered, and not for investment castings.

    Smith didn't have a figurehead. Bill Ruger kept his nefarious dealings secret for a long time. Colt just sort of "went away". These are the "Big Three" of American arms manufacturing if you will, and they sold us out. Sure there was Winchester and Remington, but they didn't have a dog in this fight. Bill Ruger even said he'd act as the voice for "responsible American gun owners". I didn't ask for that!

    Any of you that remember the ban, you likely remember WHY the boycott started. See, I turned 18 the summer before the ban was enacted, just months before. So I got the full brunt of it. That ban, essentially, was for me. The goal, as I see it, was to make sure my generation and those later could never ever challenge the governement. That we would never have parity of force. That my generation would have a neutered Bill of Rights. You have to understand the rest of the zeitgeist, that we also had militias, Waco, Ruby Ridge, etc., and a government that wanted total control.

    Some of you probably wonder "why 15rds.?" 15rds. because Glock had just introduced the G17 a few years earlier and was seriously cutting into Bill's profits. A 15rd. magazine limit would shut out a good deal of the competition without hindering Bill. It was all about Bill, really, at least in Bill's mind. How Bill could maximize profits while manipulating legislation in order to secure a larger portion of the pie. But Bill sided with the enemy and he got burnt, along with the rest of us. They changed the "5" to a "0" and we got ten round mags instead.

    I remember the ban, and though Smith got boycotted, it wasn't all about the locks. In fact, I can't recall anyone boycotting them BECAUSE of the locks. It was because of the dealings with Clinton behind closed doors. The locks just turned up at the same time because Smith got bought by a company that makes those locks and it was supposed to be part of the Clinton deal. Which is why they are still on there today probably. Nobody wants them. The people that need them, well, in my opinion, they shouldn't own a firearm at all. It should be locked up completely when not used, and in firing condition when not locked up.

    I grew up before the ban, I recall that there was no tacticool, there were no buying rushes, and firearms and parts were in general low priced. The ban changed all that. That ban made 13rd. Glock 21 mags $120 each. Sometimes used, and you were lucky to get full metal lined. C-Mags were $600 when you could find one. Lots of people went to prison and are now felons because they unknowingly put a threaded barrel upper on a post-ban lower, or they bought one in illegal condition at a gun store (yes, I saw "illegal" arms for sale in pawn shops --the law was so cosmetic and shallow-- many didn't even know what it said). Now the ATF could find out when the lower was made, but this was before the internet, and many companies wouldn't tell you when the serial numbers were issued. Some went out of business because of the ban, some before. But ATF could just find out when it was first transferred. American Justice gun ban style, all in favor of big government.

    I was so glad when Bush let it fail. I hated everything Bush did and stood for, but for this one, I'll gladly thank him on a stage in front of all. I'll never ever vote for a politician that will sell my rights out, and I deem the 2nd the highest of all, it is the Queen of the Bill of Rights. With that one amendment, all the others can be safely secured. Without it, all is lost. Look at Syria. They have a pretty good gun ban too it seems. Nobody is shooting back anyway.

    The day the ban expired I bought tons of mags. Every time the antis get on their pulpit and preach for bans, I go get more. When Giffords got shot, I scored tons. See, I have a "Depression Mentality" now. My grandmother, who lived through the depression, always had food stored away. I always have mags stored away. Just recently, I found out that the feds sent surplus stores letters telling them to "watch out" for folks that buy tons of mags. When Obama got elected, that man-woman Napolitano said that veterans and soldiers trained to fight and people who believe in the Bill of Rights are to be considered enemies of the state.

    When that ban started, I'll never forget Clinton's speech. He gave a speech about registering weapons. It was a paraphrased version of Hitler's Nuremburg speech. About how our streets would be safer and crime would go away. Hitler's law targeted the Jews. Clinton's law targeted the poor (because if you could afford pre-ban, the ban didn't exist!). Both enemies of the ruling class of the day. Too eerily similar for my likings.

    No sir, had nothing to do with locks. It had to do with selling out.
     
  19. Magnumite

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    These lock and boycott discussions are the same as the 1911 FLGR, MIM and cast frame discussions. And about as useful.
     
  20. MikeJackmin

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    The boycott was about more than the lock.

    My recollection is fuzzy, but as I recall, S&W made a deal with the Clinton admin to only provide their products to gun shops who agreed to follow a set of new and obnoxious rules. Again, this is from memory, but one example of the rules was that these shops could not sell any gun, to anyone, who could not document having taken a safety class. Overall these limits represented a substantial, and extra-legislative, burden on both buyers and sellers. S&W, in return, would enjoy government protection against 'gun safety' civil suits. Their competitors, who did not agree to the new rules, would presumably be sitting ducks for the lawsuits to follow.

    Needless to say, this was not popular.

    The deal eventually fell through, and S&W never quite got the stink off them. The Hillary Holes on the sides of their guns are pretty much all that remains, and most folks don't even remember the rest of it anymore.

    I do. I have plenty of old smiths, but I've bought nothing new from them. The old ones suit me fine and there are more than enough to last me the rest of my days.

    I don't pretend the boycott has any purpose anymore, and I don't care if other people buy from Smith or not. I avoid their new products simply because I'd feel like crap if I bought one.

    An apology would go a long way, but we'll probably never see it.
     
  21. Smith357

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    I never boycotted them, I just like the old moldy ones better. A nice looking 85-95% shooter with no box is way cheaper than a new specimen and will work just as well if not better than new. But then, I don't buy new rifles either.
     
  22. elano

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    I won't buy a smith if it has a lock. I don't trust them. They prob work fine but I don't like the idea. Especiqlly when there are other manufacturers who don't have them and ysed guns on the market without them for much cheaper.
     
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    The Taurus model 85 I own was a direct result of the original boycott. Would rather have had a S&W, but the Taurus has turned out to be a fine gun. After the company was sold to new owners I dropped my grudge. There's only been two models I've been interested in since the boycott - both Mountain Guns. I bought a model 25-13 a few years ago and love it. Thought about buying a 629 Mountain Gun, but never got around to it. If they come out with another model I find attractive I won't hesitate to get one.
     
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    I was mad at S&W at the time, now I am not.

    Without organization, leader, or platform, the individual American Shooter showed the gun industry the consequences of supporting bad legislation. :fire:

    I think that was just wonderful and is something Americans should be proud of.

    As my friend Al said “I love it when a plan comes together”.

    I had no idea there was a plan, but apparently, there was one.

    Two thumbs up to the American shooter. :D
     
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