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Smith & Wesson model 19-4 snub price check

Discussion in 'Handguns: Revolvers' started by bikemutt, Mar 8, 2012.

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  1. bikemutt
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    So I had some time to kill this afternoon and what better way to spend it than gill-netting the local pawnshop gun counters :)

    I may be off by one on the dash number but I'm 99% sure it's 19-4 nickel snub nose, probably 2 or 2-1/2" barrel, original grips, not a scratch on it, no evidence of flame cutting, locks up like it plead the 5th, pinned and recessed. A beautiful handgun that felt like it was made just for me.

    Problem is the pawnbroker wants $769 for it. And this guy is tough, he claims he didn't just pull the price out of thin air. I tried chipping him down on a slightly overpriced model 15-3, he moved $20 which was still slightly overpriced. In any event, he seems to be wavering on the 19 and was unable to pull up any that recently sold online.

    If he was asking $500 this post would include pictures of it at my house. What do the experts think?

    This gunbroker.com gun looks exactly like the one I'm considering: http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=276644208
     
  2. Starter52

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    That's a tough one, bikemutt. The gun you described is one of the finest-looking revolvers S&W ever made. It is a truly beautiful gun. I would be sorely tempted to pay the too-high price just to get it.
     
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    $500 would be fine. $769? Heck NO.

    My Lew Horten 3 inch .44 didn't even cost THAT much!

    Deaf
     
  4. bikemutt
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    I found another one on gb.com asking $685 with buy-it-now, looks to be about the same condition as this pawnshop gun. Problem comes when I add the $30 shipping, 9.5% sales tax (cannot be avoided in WA) and $25-$35 FFL transfer fee.

    This pawnbroker knows the deal with these added costs too, he's a smart one. The one thing I have in my favor is the bad economy has hit this area pretty hard, $750 snubs don't exactly run out the door all day.

    I know he will not bite on any number that starts with a 6 or lower. I'm thinking 7 bills out the door, cash, green bills, walk if he says no. Too much?
     
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    I personally wouldn't go higher than $550. At $769 I think he might be smoking something.
     
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    I agree. Lay 7 $100 bills on the counter and say take it or leave it. Let him see you mean business.
     
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    If he takes $700 out the door that would be like buying it for $640 + tax.

    I may try that tomorrow.
     
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    Model 19 snubbie? Pinned and recessed? Nickel? Like new? The pawnbroker's asking price is a little high, but not ridiculously so; that same set-up with the original box, papers and tools would list anywhere from $800 to $1000 on the broker sites.

    Region certainly affects price, but where I've been looking a decent shooter's M19 snubbie starts at $500 and quickly goes up -- it's a highly sought after configuration. What you're describing sounds collector's level, and that always commands a premium.

    I think the question is whether or not it's truly that pristine a piece; do you want to pay collector prices; and what are you going to do with it? If you're looking for a M19 snubbie to shoot and perhaps carry, I'd hold off for one I would worry less about adding wear and tear to.

    On the other hand, it's a model they don't make anymore -- and a darn fine one at that, for anything from plinking to concealed carry and self or home defense; you'd still be paying more to buy the next closest new S&W, a 2-1/2" 686.
     
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    Right on. I've said all along that it takes $400 to buy a handgun of decent quality. To move up to an old-school gun like an older Smith or Colt it's more like $500-$550. On the other hand, there is nothing wrong with trying to get a good deal on something as long as it doesn't involve cheating a widow, a child or the IRS :)
     
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    Well, the first two, anyway. ;)

    I like the idea of offering $700 cash, out the door. Alternately, start at $625, aiming for $700.

    For what it's worth, here's one selling for $799 plus shipping:

    http://www.gunsamerica.com/94560409...-Revolvers/Pocket-Pistols/S_W_Model_19_4.htm#
     
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    At $769 plus tax I would keep on looking. Take $100 off that price and maybe I would consider it. You don't say if it has the box and everything that goes with it; to me this would also be a factor with the price. As you suggested maybe try offering him $700 cash and see if he'll take it. Can't hurt to ask.

    I looked at the one that you had a link to on Gunbroker. That dealer is asking $900 for their Model 19; this one is also a bit overpriced. I did notice that this same dealer also has a S&W Model 34-1 listed with box and paperwork that they are asking $675 for. Last year I paid $399 for a very similar Model 34-1 that was LNIB. So if you can't get this guy down to something a little more reasonable, I would say keep looking till you find something at a price that is more to your liking.
     
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    At $769 he better buy you dinner and whisper sweet nothings in your ear first.

    Maybe if it came with stags and a presentation case.
     
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    That is a tough one. There is a great quote that came from somebody right here to the effect of you are just paying tomorrow's price now in order to have the gun today.

    I am having a hard time with 769.

    Like others, I would not have anywhere near the same hard time with 7 bennies on the counter and boogying out the door with a new gun. I figure your time is worth more than any remaining fudge factor at that point, and you got to do the pre-buy check out before getting it shipped to you.

    I'll "overpay" for a discontinued model that I really want, because any extra cash will probably be long forgotten by 10 months from now, let alone 10 years. I still think about both a minty model 58 and a 581 that I recently thought were too much. Wish I'd overpayed for one or the other of them, in retrospect.
     
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    It's pinned & recessed nickel plated combat magnum with short barrel, adjustable sights and round butt which makes it desirable revolver. The real bad news is that type of guys buying gun like this are not financially adversely affected by bad economy. Personally I do not like non-pocketable magnum revolvers with short barrels unfortunately I'm among the minority when it comes to this type of thing.
     
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    Otis a great shooting configuration, and an excellent HD/carry piece....I love mine.
     
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    Great gun...greedy seller. I'd look elswewhere.
     
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    Nice gun. Not rare. Look elsewhere.
     
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    I would start at $500 cash OTD and move toward paying tax and such beyond that.
    If not leave that offer on the table and walk, if the gun is still there in a month his tune may change, remember it is a pawn shop and he probably has 250 in it himself. Those guys don't make their living paying even close to what things are worth.
     
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    Seems high to me unless nearly new and almost unfired, with box and stuff.

    $600 gun if an average piece.

    Let him sit on it a while and the price may be more flexible.
     
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    Well, I'll give him that. He certaintly didn't pull it out of the AIR.
     
  21. bikemutt
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    When I pulled up to the pawn shop I had to stop and ogle the most beautiful older Mustang I think I've ever seen, a Cobra I believe. I figured what the heck, even rich guys hit pawn shops.

    Anyway, as I was driving out I noticed the pawn shop owner get in it and drive off.

    Nothing wrong with success in my book but this guy didn't buy that car by selling guns cheap.

    Nice gun, but I'll pass on this one.

    Thanks for all the advice.
     
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    Keep your eye out, you may run in to another one. There is allot to be said about finding a great gun at the "RIGHT" price. Several years ago I found the same gun in blue at the right price. Makes me feel that much better about the whole deal. Good luck in the "Hunt".
     
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