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Sniper rifle - is my collection incomplete without one?

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by dave3006, Jan 19, 2004.

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  1. dave3006

    dave3006 member

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    (I purposely used the term Sniper Rifle because I love to be politically incorrect.)

    I have a few Garands, a couple Mini-14s, and an SKS or two. However, I have the feeling that my collection is somehow inadequate without a good heavy barrel, scoped bolt action rifle. I was thinking about a Remington 700 LTR with a Leupold M1 scope. This type of setup would be about $2300 complete. I love shooting semi auto rifles. I just don't know if I will like the bolt action enough to justify the capital outlay.

    Any comments from those of you who have made the leap into the precision rifle realm?
     
  2. Balog

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    You could get a Savage 110 for significantly less. Might make it easier to justify.
     
  3. Mulliga

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    I've heard Savage rifles are a great value. A Leupold scope is great, but I'd focus on getting the trigger/barrel/bedding just right. Optics can always come later.
     
  4. Fed168

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    It never hurts to have a good precision bolt gun in your rifle battery. It'll give you another reason to shoot, and a different kind of shooting. You'll want to shrink groups or see how far you can make a shot, it's quite addictive.
     
  5. 4v50 Gary

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    If it's military, the Russian Moisin Nagant M91/30 w/PU scope is a bargain. They go for around $700.
     
  6. Balog

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    I suppose a Finn M/39 would be an excellent military rifle choice.
     
  7. Bainx

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    Think Enfield.
     
  8. WalkerTexasRanger

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    I have your mentioned rig, a Rem LTR in .223 with a Leup 3.5-10x40 LR M1 scope. It is a nice setup!! Damn accurate and fun to shoot to boot. No, your collection will not be complete without it.....
     
  9. artherd

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    Since you already have medium calibre semi-autos (the Garand does not shoot a small round!) You might consider a large caliber bolt-action for truely long-range work.

    I'm still new to this stuff, but I know that .308 and .30-06 tend to go subsonic at around 1000yds, this is the transonic transition point, and IIRC it affects accuracy.

    A Rem 700 (or Armalite AR-30 if you really want to go UN-PC! ) in .338 Lapua Magnum might be a lot of fun! (especially if you are yet able to comfortably shoot the Garand all day long.) and good to 1500 yds +
     
  10. Redlg155

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    Want to be politically incorrect and love shooting semi autos...then build the AR15 sniper rig!
    [​IMG]

    Bushy lower, RR 2 stage trigger, Armalite 24" SS Upper, Armalite 1pc scope mount. I've also added a Harris LRM Bipod since the pic. The scope is only a Leupold VXII..nothing fancy. So far I've got 1300 in her including the not pictured bipod. I just gotta get a "real" sniper scope to go with her. :D


    I've got a shoot scheduled against a buddy of mine who just got a new Remington 700 PSS in .308. I suspect I'll win since he's a cheapo and will probably use WWII vintage ammo. :D

    Good Shooting
    Red
     
  11. Kobun

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    Yep, everyone needs one. :)

    Well, I can eighter sell you a Accuracy International AW, or you can order this one:

    [​IMG]

    More pictures here

    And you find the prices and specs at H.D. Rifles look under SPROHD SWS.
     
  12. Gewehr98

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    Something not right, there...

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but just how much WWII-vintage .308 Winchester/7.62 NATO is out there, and where do I find some? :scrutiny:

    A 700PSS in .308 isn't a terribly bad addition to one's rifle collection, particularly from a precision rifle standpoint:


    [​IMG]


    And it's a hell of a lot cheaper than buying an original WWII 1903A4 sniper:



    [​IMG]
     
  13. N3rday

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    Scoped Mosin Nagant:D

    That's what I'll be getting with my meager budget...:(
     
  14. Redlg155

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    I use that term figuratively. The last I checked he had a bunch of Indian Surplus that he was using. Pretty rough looking stuff to say the least.

    Good Shooting
    Red
     
  15. Gewehr98

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    Thanks for clearing that up, Red!

    It scares me when stuff like that gets posted. Just like the thread here at THR a week or so ago where the guy said he was having trouble opening the bolt on his CMP-issued rifle after each shot. He was feeding it 8mm Mauser ammo. :what:
     
  16. Art Eatman

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    There's figurative, and facetious, and then there's my OldTimer's disease.

    Didn't .308 come out in 1958 or so?

    Wuzzn't WW II over in 1945? I think so, since I was in Times Square on VJ night, eleven years old, and my parents were drinking up my $11 worth of greenback cash birthday present. (Some things you never forget.) :D

    Art
     
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    I had the need-urge for a "sniper" rifle not long ago. But since I shoot an M1A, and have a "few" rounds of 7.62-.308, lying around in air-water tight cans, I stuck to that caliber. I could not swing the price of a Rem PSS or LTR, but a Winchester "Coyote" was to be had for 500 bucks. If you havent seen one, it has a med.heavy barrel, floated, in a dark laminated stock, with a very easy to tune trigger. Shoots unbelievably accurate!!
     
  19. ocabj

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    Reloading is a lot more fun with a precision bolt action, scoped rifle. You get to experiment with various powders, bullets, and other components to find the best accuracy in your specific rifle.

    You get a better appreciation for accuracy, and tend to shoot less because you put value in each and every shot on target. When I'm not load testing a precision rifle, I'll only shoot maybe 15-20 rounds in the session.

    You'll probably want to stick with .308 since it is the most common 'sniping' caliber and there are tons of ammunition and reloading options for this caliber. .223 would be cheaper to shoot, but it is affected by wind significantly more than .308 and starts losing accuracy around 500yds. You could always go .30-06 or .300WM, but .308 gives the best balance of accuracy and recoil.

    As far as which rifle to pick, most people choose either a Remington 700 model or a Savage 10/110 series. The Remington 700 is the most popular because there are several variations and there are many aftermarket parts for them. The Army M24 and Marine Corps M40A3 is based on the Remington 700. People who want a Remington 'sniper' rifle usually go for the 700P (for Police, sometimes known as PSS, Police Sniper Special iirc) models or the LTR (Light Tactical Rifle, iirc). Some opt for the 700 VS because it is slightly cheaper than the P/PSS or LTR and still has the heavy barrel. The Police is usually found for around $700 give or take. The LTR is usually $50 more than the Police. The Police model has a 26" bbl and the LTR a 20" bbl.

    The Savage 10/110 is a great value due in part to the Accutrigger design. This gives the shooter an easy way to adjust the trigger pull themselves without the need of a gunsmith or installing an aftermarket trigger. Most people look at the 10FP basic model which goes for less than $500. The only real fault with this rifle is the cheap, generic stock. The stock works in the sense that it allows you to shoot the gun, but not much else more than that. Many opt to get an aftermarket stock. Bell & Carlson, Sharpshooter Supply, and McMillan are the options for a Savage stock. You have the option of getting the 10FP with a McMillan stock. It is the 10FP-LE2B. It comes with a McMillan A-2 or A-3 (I'm not exactly sure). I've heard it can be found for about $750. This puts it in direct competition with the Remington 700 Police model. Plus, the Savages can be rebarrelled and/or converted to another caliber by the shooter. You pretty much just need a Savage barrel nut wrench, a barrel vise, and headspace gauges, and can swap the barrel out with an aftermarket barrel.

    Personally, I have a 10FP-LE2. It came with the cheap stock and I got it for $459 new (before tax, FFL, etc). I got the Bell & Carlson Duramaxx for $89, but after a few months I was unhappy with it and eventually saved up and ordered the McMillan A-5 which I just received finally last week. I currently use the Ken Farrell (www.kenfarrell.com single piece base with Burris Signature Zee rings and a Bushnell 3200 10x Mildot scope. The scope isn't a high quality Leupold, but is a well known value Mildot that actually works.

    I figure my current setup cost about $1300. I spent more in the long run because I bought the Bell & Carlson stock to tide me over until I bought a McMillan, and I was using the Leupold 2-piece STD bases and rings until I realized they sucked for precision shooting.

    In retrospect, I would have probably went with the 10FP-LE2B so I could get the Savage/McMillan bundle to save me the time and money of getting the stock later (although, I really like the A-5, so I probably would have ended up buying that anyway).

    As far as what you should choose, it's all up to you. If you have money to spend, definitely invest in the optics first. If you know for sure you are going to buy a bolt rifle and want to scope it, then you may as well buy the scope first. No matter which route you choose, whether it be Remington, Savage, Winchester, AI, or something, else, you will be able to use the scope you bought.

    Here's a picture of my Savage in it's current state:

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  20. Smokey Joe

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    Sniper rifle

    Suggest a Savage Model 12BVSS V is for varminter; SS for stainless. The B is the laminated stock I think. Heavy bbl; nice tight action; heavy stock, Accutrigger. And it looks politically correct, not being black. :D You can mount a bipod on forend if you want. You can get it in cartridges up to .300 WSM.

    Can you say "accuracy at long range," boys and girls?
     
  21. makarov

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    CZ-527

    This is my CZ-527 in .223 - it is a super accurate bolt gun and total cost is well under $1000 as shown. Scope is a Bushnell Scopechief 6-24x40. This is the Varmint model with factory HS Precision stock. Much nicer action than most Savages I looked at. You might also check out Howa's. The CZ also has a single set trigger which is nice. You push it forward and set it. Then a *very* light pull when you are on target.

    [​IMG]
     
  22. nico

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    lol i think i'm turning into a gun nut. I just got my first rifle for christmas, but I'm drooling over the pics that've been posted:D
     
  23. 4v50 Gary

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    Gewehr98 - stop teasing me with that photo of your pristine 03A4.:D
     
  24. seeker_two

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    Yes, you should definitely get a sniper-style rifle in a major (.308, .30-06) caliber....


    ....and we eagerly await your report about how you can conceal it in your SmartCarry holster...;)













    (j/k) :)
     
  25. dave3006

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    seeker two, that's pretty good. I admit I went a little overboard on the smartcarry thing. But, if I have to carry it in this manner, I am definately going with the 20" version. The chicks will dig me.
     
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