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Snubby Summit Videos

Discussion in 'Handguns: Revolvers' started by 230therapy, Apr 9, 2011.

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  1. 230therapy

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  2. pete950

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    These videos are great watch # 3 and listen to what the Late Jim Cirillo has to say about wad cutters.
    Take a look at my thread for wadcutters lovers.

    Pete
     
  3. rogertc1

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    the Late Jim Cirillo, that sucks how did such a youg guy die?
     
  4. pete950

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    The was involved in so many gun battles and was able to retire and then gets killed in a car crash.:fire:
     
  5. Oyeboten

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    Really enjoyed the Videos.

    Glad to see advocates of 'Pocket Carry', and, and all the tips and voices of experience about Snubbys.

    'Wadcutters' do make good sense.
     
  6. TexasBill

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    As one who carries a J-frame, I found the instructions to be very interesting and quite useful.
     
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    I enjoy the videos very much, didn't quite care for part 7. Not sure who that guy is he was really talking up the mico 9"s. I feel most if not all of us who pack the j-frame know the limitations. I really don't see the "only 5 rounds" as a big limitation, seeing how the chances of the everyday person have a small chance of even having to use it. Been an LEO for over 30 years and every case where someone used a concealed weapon very few shots were needed. Most cases of assult mugging and the like that I have seen I feel any weapon would of turn the tide in the victim favor since most of these bg's are looking for an easy victim. Just my thoughts since I still feel the j frame will serve most people well.

    be safe
     
  8. Oyeboten

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    I am surprised that the popularity of the S&W J-Frame seems for almost fifty years now, to have eclipsed that of the Colt Detective Special, Agent, or Cobra.

    They are virtually the same size as an S&W J-Frame, and, the Colt holds "six" instead of 'five'.
     
  9. earlthegoat2

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    Michael de Bethancourt's piece was unfortunately something I had already seen on his blog. He is one who does prefer the Colt Agent still. In the end, if you like snubs like I do, then you will be comfortable with any of them whether they are 5 or 6 shot or a smaller J frame or a larger Detective Special or K frame.
     
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    A few of my snubbies in my collection
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  11. Fred Fuller

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    didn't quite care for part 7. Not sure who that guy is

    "That guy" was/is Tom Givens.

    Who is Tom Givens?

    Before coming to Rangemaster full time in 1996, Tom completed a 25 year career in law enforcement and specialized security work. For over twenty years Tom's duties have included firearms instruction, and he has trained law enforcement officers at the local, state, and federal level; foreign government agents; and military personnel including members of the 20th Special Forces Group. Tom's education, training, and experience in this field includes:
    Graduate, FBI Police Firearms Instructor School, FBI certified Firearms Instructor
    Graduate, NRA Law Enforcement Firearms Instructor Development School
    Graduate, NRA Law Enforcement Tactical Shooting Instructor School
    Certified Handgun Instructor, Tennessee
    Graduate, U.S. Army Instructor School
    Graduate, (Expert Certificate) Gunsite Training Center API 499
    Graduate, Advanced Tactical Pistol, Tactical Explosives Entry School
    Attended numerous other schools and seminars across the U.S.
    Author of five published textbooks, including Fighting Smarter.
    Author of over one hundred published magazine articles in S.W.A.T. Magazine, Combat Handguns Magazine, and others
    Participant/Presenter at the National Tactical Inviational(NTI) 2004, 2005, 2006
    Former Class A IPSC Competitor
    I.P.S.C. Tennessee/Mississippi Section Champion, 1977, 1978
    IDPA Master classification, Enhanced Service Pistol Division
    IDPA Master classification, Custom Defensive Pistol Division
    1998 Tennessee IDPA State Champion
    1999 Mississippi IDPA State Champion
    Former Member IDPA Board of Directors
    Certified Expert Witness on Firearms, and Police Firearms Training, in both state and federal courts
    Member of these professional associations:
    National Rifle Association
    Police Marksman Association (Life Member)
    American Society of Law Enforcement Trainers
    American Society for Industrial Security
    International Wound Ballistics Association
    Has made hundreds of arrests, including numerous armed felons
    Has successfully used a handgun to defend himself and others against armed criminals
    - http://www.rangemaster.com/rm_staff.html

    He's a member here at THR. He was at the Snubby Summit doing what he did because Andy Stanford told him to do it. :D It was part of the POI. From the lineup at http://www.shooting-center.org/snubby.htm :

    Tom Givens, Rangemaster Director
    – Modern Autopistol Pocket Rockets vs. the Classic Snubby


    I'm deeply grateful to have had the opportunity to have attended the Snubby Summit with my wife, and I sincerely hope nobody who was filming got any footage of me... :what:

    lpl
     
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    Says the links are "broken" now on my notebook 'puter. I only got to watch a couple of them. :-(
     
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    'Links Broken' on my gerbil powered 'puter also.

    sd.
     
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    I was at the Snubby Summit. It was impossible to attend everything, as several things were happening at once, so I had hoped it would be held again, with many of the same instructors. It is still possible to get the training, from the instructors who are still with us, of course, but not all under one roof in one weekend.

    The links do seem disabled now.
     
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    Will they also do a 6 Inch Barrel Revolver Summit?

    Seems like allowing equal time would only be fair...

    Lol...just kidding.


    I would not have minded though if at least one segment had paused to savor the .44 and .45 Calibre Snubbies also, even if they are of course a little less popular than the .38s...
     
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    I agree with this. Even though the trend favors the 38/357 smaller frame revolvers, the 44/45 offering are still just as relevant. As well as the 6 shot snubs as well such as the K frames and Colt DS/Cobra/Agent. 6 shot snubs are becoming less popular and this is reflected upon by Ed Lovette in The Snubby Revolver. The 44 Special Charter Arms Bulldog is still just as relevant today as it was when it was introduced. Unfortunately the Charter Arms guns are really not built that well.

    Plenty of folks conceal carry 44 magnum and 45 colt snubbies still.
     
  17. Oyeboten

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    And to be really thorough ( while straying no smaller then .38 ) - those 'Snubbys' chambered in .38 S&W, such as the 'Break Top' New Departure S&W, and the Iver Johnson 'Bicycle Guns'...( though one would best stay with Standard Loadings or even Black Powder Loadings, depending on the vintage ).

    As well as the Colt Banker's Special or Police Positive 2 Inch and the S&W Terriers chambered in .38 S&W/.38NP, where, with their strong Frames, their Cartridges can be custom loaded to be in the .38 Special territory of Balistics.

    The S&W 'M&P' and later Model 10 Snubbies, are certainly kinder to the operative for recoil recovery when using stronger Ammunition, as well as of course having 6 Round Cylinders.

    But, a Colt New Service Snubby, in .45 Colt or .45 ACP, or an N-Frame S&W likewise, or either in .44 Special, have their charms...definitely, if one does not mind the weight or size.
     
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    Links Broken

    I'd like to view those links, but do not know how. They do seem to be 'broken'.

    Is there a possibility that whoever posted those links could re-post?

    Thanks,

    salty
     
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    I went to the website and the videos appear to be gone. Perhaps they took them down for some reason.

    OPS Training no longer has a web server either.

    Too bad...they were very good videos.
     
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    Darn ... wanted to watch those too.

    Ya know, a YouTube account is free ... they should have just uploaded them there if they didn't want to use their own server space for them.
     
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    Watched 'em all now, thanks!
     
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    "That guy" was/is Tom Givens
    thanks for the info Mr. Lee Lapin, he seem to have more then enought training and knowledge to hold classes. I still didn't see any need for him to put down the snub nose as he did even if his info was good there a way to present your ideal without trying to make people that have another point of view feel they must be all wrong. Maybe it just me but after watching him there were only two things i felt one could do forget all he said which is sad since I have never been to any training that I hasn't gotten something out of, or sell my snub and buy a mimi 9mm. Since the snub has pull my bacon out of the fire in the pass and other I respect still carry one I choose to disregard any thing he was saying might me more his style then what he really was saying.

    be safe
     
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