So I think my landlord stole 12 of my guns...

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swampcrawler

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Ok guys... bare with me here. I'm still a bit hot about the issue and am looking to you guys to be a bit of a voice of reason.

My wife and i have been renting a property for the past year and recently bought a home in a different area. I've moved out all of my possessions except a bunch of inherited firearms and some misc reloading supplies, etc. long story short, we are scheduled to meet the guy on the afternoon of the march 3rd to return his keys, walk through the property so he can inspect it and discuss return of my security deposit, etc. According to the terms of my lease, i have fully paid for and have right to the home until the 5th, and at no point in writing nor conversation was he told that we were fully moved out of the property.

He took it upon himself to go last night (march 1st) and change the locks. When we arrived this morning to finish gathering my things and finish cleaning the place and found ourselves locked out, i called the dude. He began some rant about how he tried to show the house last night and it wasn't ready, claimed that the back door was unlocked, claimed my wife told him we were finished moving out, etc. I told him my weapons were inside and as far as i was concerned he had taken them into his possession without my permission, aka stolen them, and i would be calling LE. He quite bluntly stated he was too busy to be bothered with such matters and would not be coming to open the doors. He then began something about what someone told him from a sheriffs department in another parish, but at that point i had steam coming out of my ears and hung up and called the cops.

We called local law enforcement and they dispatched a unit. We explained to the officer what was going on and he called the guy on a recorded line and confirmed that what we told him was true and asked the guy to return my property and open the house. He refused, and then TOLD THE OFFICER THAT HE HAD TAKEN MY GUNS WITH HIM FOR "SAFE KEEPING", something which he had neither asked my permission to do, informed me of prior to doing, nor mentioned when i called him minutes before. I told the officer right then that i wanted to press charges for stolen firearms and breaking and entering (or whatever it would be considered for him to enter a residence that im still renting with no notice). The officer refused to do so stating that as long as the guy returns my firearms on the date we agreed upon to return his keys it was no big deal.

I strongly disagree. As far as i'm concerned this dude had no intention of ever returning those weapons and wouldn't have had i not actually gotten law enforcement involved. Regardless of whether or not the weapons are returned he still stole the things in the first place.

Do you guys agree? If so how would i proceed with getting the guy charged? I know it may seem petty but i honestly believe this dude intended to keep my guns, and i don't want any future tenants to fall victim to anything like this.

I'm also pretty sure i'm going to have to take him to small claims court to get my security deposit back, simply out of principle, because I'm not letting him keep it for no reason.

Like i said, i know i'm pretty hot and may be being a bit petty right now, but we put so much effort into following firearms laws to the T, no matter how arbitrary they are, and it doesn't seem right that this man can just let himself into a property that i still have legal right to and take my guns into his possession without my knowledge nor consent.
 
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Theft is theft. Is does not matter if you rent from him or not. I would inquire to the officer's captain (?) Why he feels taking firearms is no big deal. Is driving drunk no big deal, as long as you get home by six?

I would get my lawyer to be sure that this is handled, not you being handled. I would make sure to pressure for charges of some kind.

If the previously splendid landlord "has been here before", he is a career criminal. I see no reason to cut more slack to a human for his past dealings than would be cut for me. If I rented a human a room and took their computer for "safe keeping" I would have just robbed them.

Yes, even if I have keys. Even if someone wants to look at the place. Even if they are bad tenants. That's what security deposit are for, so the landlord won't take property for collateral.


And woe to him if any heirlooms are damaged by his hand!:fire:
Turnbull Restorations is not inexpensive...
 
Rentals can be a problem. Had one landlord threaten to enter and deposit my belongings on the lawn. I told him he best get an eviction notice first or everything else is just a law suit. I also told him I was usually armed so if you come better bring the sheriff with you. He never showed up.
 
By the time you get an attorney and get them to work, you may already be made whole by the return of your guns. Not worth an attorney unless you are denied the return of your property.

IMO, the cop gave you the wrong answer for stolen property and his supervisor is worth a call. Then his supervisor. Etc.

I can’t imagine reporting items stolen, someone admitting to having them and not having the police immediately help me retrieve them.

Is there a good chance your landlord is well connected? Justice is sometimes less blind when thats the case.

I would press as hard as it takes to get charges filed.
 
Ask him if he brought some of his firearms for you to keep safe for a bit.

You know, just to be sure you get your deposit...

You'll give them back...;)

Be sure to inspect them for damage, missing accoutrements or sabotage. And have the officer note any in his report.

Hopefully a different officer, I may add.
 
Been to similar and worse "property disputes" in a 22 year career as a cop... Yes, get a lawyer (and expect to get jerked around in the courts if it gets that far...). Many times a polite threatening letter by your attorney will resolve the problem (bad guy landlords don't like courts either...).

If all else fails file a police report stating "theft of firearms" and listing your landlord as the only suspect -then make sure that each and every weapon is entered into the national database on stolen firearms...

By the way, having one party seize and hold the others goods is a fairly common type of landlord/tenant problem. I'd like to say I saw justice in these types of situations - but only very rarely (while the lawyers for each side were earning a living...). Call police officers to the scene of the problem and they'll do their best to keep the peace (which won't have a lot to do with you getting your property back...).
 
The "right of entry" by a landlord on rented property is thorny enough.
Even if Beaux "makes you whole" on Monday, I'd still lawyer up.
I'd be wearing out the Parish Prosecutor's phone, as theft of firearms are pretty serious criminal charges.
But, on the civil side, Beaux has caused you considerable damage by way of dispossessing you of your chattel goods, which is redoubled as they are Federally-regulated chattels.
At only $250 each, 12 guns is $3000, which is not chicken feed. If even one turns up missing, that's a major uh-oh. Any damage Beaux does can hugely reduce the value, too.
If the Deputy had told me not to worry about it, I would have gone down to the SO and filed the complaint on the front desk as soon as I could get there.
But, that's my 2¢; others' differ.
 
Alright folks. At this point all the guns and the remainder of my property was recovered damage free. I’ll be visiting the sheriffs office and the DA office tomorrow to discuss the criminal aspect of what happened.

He denied to right the civil aspect of it on the spot. I’m going to send him one polite request for things to be righted via certified mail, then lawyering up. I’m likely making the wrong move here as the money in question isn’t going to affect my life either way, I just don’t want this dude to continue treating well meaning renters this way.

Again, thank you all very much for your input.
 
This incident is an example of why secure storage (locked metal boxes secured to surface, safe, etc) is
desirable for stored firearms. Very difficult for a landlord to "seize firearms for safekeeping" with such precautions
without the landlord committing other provable criminal offenses.
 
id have to ask the same question as above poster. my firearms would of been the first thing I would of taken away and next would be my tools.

furniture and household stuff can be re placed for almost nothing.

around here a vacant house is a sure target for methheads.
 
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