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So, I want to talk Gun Confiscation.

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by .Scarecrow., Oct 13, 2012.

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  1. .Scarecrow.

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    You hear all these threads about Burying guns and hiding them in walls and it seems hard to say which one is the way to go. I would really like to save my prized AR through the good and bad times, even the Really bad times. What is the best way to ensure I can? Or at least try to. Arguably you could also say that all these are bad ideas being they are all over the internet for everyone to see, but still.
     
  2. Husker_Fan

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    Let's see, 49 of 50 states have concealed carry, reciprocity and shall-issue have been getting better and better, and there is no federal AWB or magazine restrictions. I don't think this is the "bad times" by a long shot.

    That doesn't mean we shouldn't keep up the lobbying and other efforts to defeat encroachments on our rights.
     
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  3. TAKtical

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    Are you proposing something illegal? No one here will advise you on the best way to commit a crime.
     
  4. .Scarecrow.

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    Guess reading up on stuff makes you think ****s going to go down soon. And I'm not sure if it is I who is being the Troll. And If I have seen others posting about the same topic, why do I get crap and they don't. I sometimes tire over this whole Forum thing.
     
  5. Husker_Fan

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    I apologize. I'll edit.
     
  6. Arkansas Paul

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    We're The High Road. We follow the law. We encourage you to do the same.
     
  7. .Scarecrow.

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    AR's are some of the most popular rifles around now. They were not that popular in 1994 when NEW AR's with flash hiders were not available for sale.
     
  9. Balrog

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    I dont understand why several people here are accusing you of something illegal. To my knowledge there is no law that forbids burying guns or hiding them in walls. Perhaps these illuminati who are accusing you could educate the rest of us on what they are talking about?
     
  10. rondog

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    JMHO, but this is AMERICA. Not some third-world dictatorship. Any government here that wants to confiscate all privately owned weapons will have to use our police and military personnel, who just happen to be our fathers, sons, friends, neighbors and relatives to do so. And I personally see that being a uphill battle for a government to get those folks to turn against all of us.

    I don't know, but I'm kinda doubtful that any politicians can make that happen here. Maybe I'm just naive though.
     
  11. Rail Driver

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    The picture I get from this is that if the powers that be declare the civilian ownership of firearms illegal and attempt confiscation (as they did recently in Australia), most members of THR.org will simply hand theirs over with a smile and a handshake, because that's what "The Law" says.

    Sorry, not me.

    If that day ever comes, I'll be waiting for them, locked and loaded. Some things are worth dying for. Freedom, my family, and my right to defend both are worth laying down my life for if necessary.

    That's what the Australians thought too.
     
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  12. beatledog7

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    If by some wild stretch of the imagination we were subjected to a legally enacted nationwide confiscation of all firearms, and somebody cached a gun rather than turning it in, that act would be patently illegal.

    The reporting of "boating accidents" and like would also be illegal.

    But I think in this case, America would rise up and do what 2A meant for us to be able to do. There's just so much control we'll tolerate.
     
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    Ultimately, it's up to you to decide what to do. I'm one of those who thinks if its time to bury them, it's time to use them.

    But I think we are a loooooong way away from any guv'mint gun round up.

    And nice to see another West Michigander on the forum.
     
  14. jdh

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    How about a fire?
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    The contents of my fire rated gun safe in case you are wondering.
    and the safe as found:
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    jdh... sob*
     
  16. M-Cameron

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    Oxymoron of the day goes to.....


    there can be no such thing as a legally enacted firearm confiscation....it is in direct conflict with the 2A and various supreme court rulings.
     
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    Vote. Do so after properly informing yourself about the candidates.

    Encourage others to vote, and to be informed.

    Get out and work booths, tables, shoots, etc for all of your local grassroots pro 2A organizations.



    jdh: Was that a safe, or a residential security container?

    Did it come from a regular old big box store?
     
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    Confiscation cannot occur. The US Constitution prohibits the enactment of, I believe the term is, ex-post-facto (thanks mljdeckard!) laws. Meaning a law cannot be used against you for actions committed before the law was passed. Since you legally acquired your guns and possessed them before a ban occurred, you must be allowed to keep them, just not buy more. This is why there were still high capacity magazines around during the Clinton "Assault Weapons" Ban.

    If the government actually did try confiscation, then it has thrown the Constitution out the Window on this Tennant and the 2a. If that occurred, I think more Americans would use said guns than hand them over, if you catch my meaning.

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    The Constitution has been amended 27 times, and as we have seen many times, SCOTUS' decisions are unpredictable. The next President of the US will likely appoint to Justices.

    All it would have taken is one changed vote in Heller to uphold the DC ban.
     
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    I believe the OP is referring to a nationwide ban on firearms which according to the Constitution of the United States is illegal so any circumvention of such law would in fact be completely legal.

    Just one comment, if you hide it in the walls, make sure it's near a switch/socket so a metal detector wouldn't pick up something that 'shouldn't be there'.

    My suggestion, coat it in and out with cosmoline and bury it somewhere a metal detector wouldn't detect it. (Buying half an acre for cheap somewhere in town would be helpful).
     
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    I would also mention that just because laws state now that you are 'grandfathered in' doesn't mean that will be the case in the future.

    Laws are written by men and can always change. That knowledge is the difference between men and sheep.
     
  22. 1-1 Banger

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    There's an old Army FM that covers caches. Has some good stuff in it. Unfortunately "they" have it too so get creative if it ever gets bad enough to bury the old hog leg
     
  23. Lost Sheep

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    "ex post facto" laws make an act that occurred in the past punishable by law now.

    That means your legal purchase of a gun 10 years ago will not land you in jail today. However, a law making continued possession of a previously legally owned gun is not ex post facto and conceivably could be passed. Depending on the makeup of the court, also pass Constitutional muster.

    I believe there were (how many is open to question) personal firearms were taken from citizens during the Hurricane Katrina period. I am certain, that during a time of regional disaster, aid stations, hospitals, etc will not be allowing you to enter while armed. If you don't have friends or an organization to store you arms while you get your broken arm fixed, you will likely find whatever you have confiscated and may or may not get it back until you sue whoever took it in court. How long would that take?

    The only real protection (that does not involve violence) against (unconstitutional) usurpation of your rights is to get involved and to stay involved in your government, society and neighborhoods.

    Lost Sheep
     
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  24. mljdeckard

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    Ethically correct and constitutional do not equal legal.

    Echoing post #13. If it's time to bury them, it's time to dig them up.

    They don't have to search and confiscate from every house. They will first ask for a voluntary turn-in, and make a list from those who refused.
     
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    I don't recall ever seeing any law against storing your firearms in a wall, or burying them.

    And anyone assuming that our own military and police force would never do such terrible things, think again. They won't likely do it to their OWN family, just like a LEO won't give a ticket to his own family members(usually), but he has NO PROBLEM at all giving YOU one. Firearm confiscation would likely be the same. Read about some other atrocities committed world wide, countries against their own citizens, and you will know it could happen to any one. There have been a few small ones right here in the good Ol' USA, but nobody talks about it. It gives them the heeby jeebies. What happened to the bonus army after WW1 certainly wasn't neighborly.
     
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