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So, I work at a gunstore and...

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Lakedaemonian, Mar 6, 2011.

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  1. Lakedaemonian

    Lakedaemonian Member

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    So I work at a gunstore and I am SICK of Morons waving guns in my face!! Whoa! I am a Veteran, and that is quick way to make me very angry.

    P.S. Im talking about a negligent muzzle sweep. Nobody is holding up the gunstore or anything.
     
  2. LJ-MosinFreak-Buck

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    Some people are just ignorant of gun safety. It's probably because they never attended a hunter's safety course.
     
  3. Wood Man

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    I hear you there. I've been in my local gun shop more than once and had a muzzlesweep across my face. Iritates me more than a little. I mean some things are just common sense, shouldn't have to "take a coarse" to know better. I mean com'on people...... People like that are the ones that give gun owners a bad name.
     
  4. Lakedaemonian

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    It irritates me because I feel powerless. Im not in the Military anymore. I cant slap them and scream at them for being stupid. I need to be tactful or I loose my job... FML
     
  5. dec41971

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    I hear ya. Once saw some guy at the local range counter pulling the trigger on a gun that was pointing at other customers. He got cursed out by one guy, I actually thought it was so funny he got offended. Then he proceeded to say its a new gun from the counter, obviously unloaded, but sorry it was unintentional. The store staff took the gun away showed him out of the range and customers clapped. Pretty funny and stupid of him at the same. But I guess this kind of thing happens a lot.
     
  6. TechBrute

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    I've had plenty of gun shop employees muzzle sweep me. Being unsafe knows no side of the counter.
     
  7. Lakedaemonian

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    Its just culture shock I guess. In the places I've been, a gun pointed at you = weapons hot, clear to engage. I suppose that would be a good point to bring up next time it happens.

    P.S. Ya, I can understand that. Put yourself in my shoes though. Every effin yahoo that thinks they know a thing or two about a gun comes into the store and starts cold drawing a gun like there a damn spec ops ninja. I end up having a gun in my face probably two maybe three times a day. You, as a patron of a gun store, maybe once in a blue moon; you run into an undiciplined gun store employee.
     
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  8. Bubba613

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    You either need to get used to it or find yourself another job. That is a regular occurrence. If it is a store gun, of course you have checked it before handing it to the customer. If it is the customer's gun, of course you have checked it when they bring it out.
    But you aren't going to change bad gun handling skills as a store clerk. Sorry.
     
  9. BADUNAME37

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    Whenever I handle a gun, I am even cautious of where people are in my own house. If my wife is upstairs, the gun is downstairs with the muzzle down. If she is in one end the gun is pointed toward an outside wall which faces woods, even though the gun I am referring to is not chambered, It does have a full magazine in it and the gun is on safe.

    I, too, have had people point guns at me. Nothing more maddening than turning around only to be looking down some guy's barrel three benches down.

    I don't care if it is loaded or not, I am frightened like it is loaded, I don't feel like getting shot.:mad: Of course, the gun that is EMPTY is always the one that seems to be able to go off on its own and kill someone.
     
  10. McCall911

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    I guess that'll keep on happening occasionally until everyone, on either side of the counter, takes basic gun safety. And I don't see that happening anytime soon, unless someone wants to legislate gun safety courses before one is allowed to own a firearm. And, of course, this will require some kind of certification, which would undoubtedly come through the government.
    Are we ready for that?
     
  11. Creature

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    You could always try spending time in a cubicle under the 60hz hum of fluorescent lights with a swingline stapler.
     
  12. ultradoc

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    I am very carefull not to point a gun in an unsafe direction. Even at gun shown I point it in a safe direction. And I allways make sure it's unloaded. New or not
     
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    You need to find another job. Get used to it. This is why you check the gun before you give it to the customer.

    I suppose it is also unsafe to check the rifling on a revolver by looking down the muzzle with the cylinder opened.

    There are practical limits to gun safety folks. I am always the one who has to say this because everyone else is too afraid to. Safety is good but sensible safety is better.
     
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    I suppose you're okay with me dry firing one of my pistols in your direction then, right? Don't worry, I cleared it first.

    I recognize that if you imagine a laser beam coming out of the barrel of a gunship pistol, it's basically impossible to get it out of the case and into the customer's hands without sweeping someone. That doesn't mean that we should accept a customer (or employee) casually pointing that gun in the direction of other people.

    I've been swept by more clerks than customers, personally. Either way it's an uncomfortable feeling to have a gun pointed my way, and it should be discouraged.

    Perhaps a quick "Please be careful to keep the gun pointed in a safe direction" while handing it over would prevent some of this carelessness.
     
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    You'd think it would go without saying, but I think a bold sign behind the counter or at the entrance stating that guns (empty or not) should never be pointed at anyone would go a long way toward stopping this behavior.

    I've never seen such a sign at any firearms counter or gun store I've been at.
     
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    It looks like we are starting to get it now.
     
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    Local gunshop here has a range. To use the range, you first have to watch video of safety rules/policies. And they give a verbal quiz to verify you paid attention to the video.

    Based on this precaution for range customers, why not take precautions with counter customers. In other words, before they are allowed to begin handling firearms, at least verify they have had some exposure to the 4 rules -- such as reading the sign behind the counter that Sport45 mentions in post #15.
     
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    Getting swept by a muzzle is unacceptable no matter who you are. It should not be a risk "that comes with the territory" even if you are a clerk in a gun store. If people speak up when this happens, maybe we'll see more awareness of the problem.

    BTW, this "muzzle unawareness" is very common at gun shows. That's one of many reasons why I hesitate to go to gun shows any more, unless I have something very specific that I'm looking for.
     
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    This.

    I've never seen that sign either, which one would think would be helpful for the noobs on both sides of the counter.
     
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    Huh. At the gunstores here in IL, they demonstrate a cleared chamber in front of me.

    I think a gun store is a little different then a range, though I'd always make sure its unloaded.

    But like Earl said, I am often bringing my little bore light with me. And I am looking down the muzzle to check how bright the rifling is on old revolvers. Often with worn finish, but great rifling. I am also checking the lock up, which means the trigger is pulled.

    Hm. I realize though that I am never pointing anything even at eye level with anyone. I am always checking sights, how it points, lock up keeping the gun leveled safely down at the floor beside me nowhere near employees or customers...
     
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    At the shop I frequent, if you demonstrate unsafe muzzle discipline you're asked (in a very firm but polite tone) to be more careful. If you do it again, the muzzle will be physically redirected by the clerk, and you'll be told "watch that muzzle. This is your last chance." Depending on your attitude after the second warning (or if you do it again) you'll be asked to leave.

    Generally, folks get the hint after the first or second warning.
     
  22. Rancho Relaxo

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    I too point the pistol at the floor to get an idea of trigger pull and feel, sights and overall feel. I always think it's an odd way to do it (though the most safe looking) because I really hope that I don't spend most of my time shooting a pistol at something three feet in front of me at ground level!

    If I had a gunstore I would install a 2' pipe that you could use to dry fire, check sights etc and be in no danger of accidental muzzle sweep. Since I am not a gun shop owner, I'd be willing to sell my design plans :D
     
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    If it were such a problem it seems that gun shops would have a formal 'handling area' on the edge of the counter where one could stand behind a line and have a target to point at, dry fire rack the slide at say blam blam dakka dakka or whatever.

    Personally, the shops that I frequent display very safe gun handling.
     
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    Thank you! I've been swept by more gun shop employees than I have paying customers like myself
     
  25. Arkansas Paul

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    I have too, and I don't like it any more than when anyone else does it.
     
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