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Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Kliegl, Jun 4, 2011.

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  1. merlinfire

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    I will say that companies that give the perception that they're not particularly interested in giving the civilian market a fair shake, do get on my nerves. But I'm not naming any names.
     
  2. joeq

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    Some hate is from actual bad experiences with certain brands and most isn't. I think most of the hate is just from hearing other people bash certain brands. If I listened to the majority I would be a Taurus hater. I own several Taurus pistols and have had zero issues with any of them. Am I just lucky or is Taurus not as bad as you would be lead to believe on most forums? Your guess is as good as mine. You probably shouldn't bash it unless you've given it a legitimate try. I will be keeping my Taurus pistols and probably buying more in the future. Believe me, I'm not saying Taurus hasn't had their fair share of problems I'm just saying things quickly become over blown on the internet.
     
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  3. Kliegl

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    I think a gun company can sell, or not sell, to whatever group of people they want. I also think people tend to vote with their pocketbooks in all things, gun brand selection included.

    Stuff they can afford is the good stuff, stuff they can't is overpriced, elitist garbage, and stuff that is cheaper than what they can afford is low-quality-control junk with bad customer service.

    I will definitely agree with the previous post and maintain that one should try things before they judge them, lest they be speaking out of ignorance.
     
  4. orionengnr

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    Hmmm...have you done any reading on actual experiences with Taurus Customer Service?
     
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    I like all kinds of guns. I do dislike certain things about certain guns, though.

    I've had one Taurus, a model 608 revolver. It was perfectly fine, no issues at all. I sold it so I could buy a Marlin .357 lever gun. Both the buyer and I were very happy.

    I've had trouble with two S&W center-fire semi-autos, which makes me wary of buying another. Still like their revolvers, though.

    And for the record, Springfield IS selling a re-badged Croatian pistol, and I really like them. But that's pretty much what it started out life as, HS-2000 or some such. The XD line is fine with me, I have two of them and am considering a third.

    Glocks feed just about anything you give them, but I don't own one. I'm considering a Glock 19, though. It feels pretty good in my hand, unlike the 21 I had and sold a few years back.

    I've never in my life owned either a Colt or a Winchester. I didn't do it on purpose, it just happened. I came close with Colt a couple of times, but it didn't work out. Came this close to trading for a 6920 AR, but it didn't happen.

    H&K has always been too expensive for my blood. I have other interests along with guns, and they just want too much for their guns. Years ago, I owned a P7 which I really liked, and wish I never sold. I also owned an HK 91 which didn't suit me, so I sold it. I'd like a do-over on that one, considering how much they go for these days.
     
  6. Sunray

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    "...it's abbreviated HK, not H&K..." Only in the U.S.
    "...its the Ford vs Chevy arguments..." Exactly.
     
  7. Larry E

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    I can't say I hate any guns, but there are some that I'd rather not be seen in possession of. Sort of like dating the ugliest girl around, she may be fun to be with, but there aren't enough bags in the world....

    Ford vs Chevy, and beauty is in the eye of the beholder I think.
     
  8. joeq

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    Have you actually dealt with Taurus? If so, please share your experience. If not, then you're just like everyone else that has read something. I am all for people sharing their experience with certain brands but they must have that personal experience. I'm not calling you out, I just want to hear what you have to say.
     
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  9. rodensouth

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    Kliegl, I'm in your camp.
     
  10. Sooner1911

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    IMHO, many times people just don't know any better or have to run down what other people have to feel better about themselves. Other times, I think it is the legitimate result of one or more bad experiences with a brand that colors that persons outlook forever. My dad flipped a 56 Chevy Bel Air 2 1/2 times and the car held together. His buddy rolled a 57 Dodge once and he said the body panels were hanging loose. IIRC, he said something about welds being the problem. From then on, he would never consider a Dodge product. I guess it all goes back to the disappointment of poor quality lingering long after any $ savings are forgotten. If I had listened to all of the internet rumors, I would never have purchased my 2 Kimber 1911s and my 1 S&W 1911. They work for me and feed FMJ and JHP just fine and the dreaded external extractor on my Smith is just fine. At the end of the day, different strokes for different folks. Buy what you want and don't worry about what other people think or life will likely be very frustrating.
     
  11. Kliegl

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    Sunray, I'm pretty sure the logo says HK everywhere....

    I'm with Joeq. I've had two experiences with Taurus customer service, one was good, and the other (ordering some mags which have yet to be available) is still pending. Anything you read on the internet is something you just read on the internet. I can put up a webpage saying I'm the most endowed man on the planet, but it doesn't necessarily make it true.

    I don't think it's Fords vs Chevy (Olds had more torque than either, by the way), but rather it's a price vs quality thing. Some guns people think are beneath them, some guns people think are only for snobs and rich folks.
     
  12. MachIVshooter

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    Yeah, that's it. or maybe it's for some of the reasons correia mentioned. Let's do a breakdown of some of the reasons I don't like H&K.

    The ones I've owned:

    USP-was all about them when I was younger because GUNS magazine featured it and really bragged it up. Then I actually bought one, a stainless .45. Unbalanced, felt like a 2x4, crappy trigger, trigger guard rubbed my finger raw in ~200 rounds, difficult and counter intuitive safety.

    G3-Heavy, stock is too short, wont accept optics without $100 B square mount, nasty recoil impulse, heavy, nasty trigger, poorly thought out safety/selector location, destroys brass (assuming you can find it), heavy.

    The one's I've shot:

    -USP 9 and .40-Almost as big as the .45, just as uncomfortable.

    -MP5. Decent subgun, much prefer a 9mm AR

    -Mk23-like the USP .45, only even more uncomfortable and 2.5 times the price. Lots of better guns for a whole lot less money.

    -VP-70. Just ick. I don't know what they were smoking when they thought this thing up, but it is a god awful pistol. Like a Hi-Point, but heavier, uglier and less reliable. And Hi-Point has better CS.

    -P7M8-hideous, heavy, uncomfortable and burns you if you dare touch the slide after a couple of mags due to it's silly gas delayed blowback system. I mean, the squeeze cocker is just redonculous.


    Seriously, if HK's were so great, they'd be copied like 1911's, Glocks, AR's and a host of other well thought out, well executed designs.

    Larry Corriea pretty much nailed it in his write-up.
     
  13. Tomcat47

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    Just like I am a Ford Man!

    But [email protected]!* the deal I got on that Silverado 2500 in the driveway!

    But some are not that willing to bend! ;)

    But My Safe is full of all I love and those I tend to dislike but were good deals or great trades!

    And I am not into Glocks! Dont like em , dont even like looking at them! But they are reliable and dependable, and I am sure one will visit my safe before it is overwith!

    But That ^ is of course your point....I dont like Glocks! Have Not Owned Glocks...therefore I dont bash Glocks...other than I dont like the way they look!...and praise their reliability and dependability that is really a no brainer when looking at their track record.

    And Taurus...oh a fan I AM! and out of years of ownership all the way back to early 80's and quantity near 50 firearms that have passed through my hands or still rmains in my safe.. not one warranted complaint do I have...and customer service has always treated me very well and satisfied any problems I have had.

    As has Beretta! As Has S&W!, As Has Ruger!,As Has Colt!.....I have had no bad CS experiences...maybe my calming demeanor or patient nature or maybe as a machinist I just understand machines and the laws of nature and do not get upset when something wears out or breaks or does not function as we expect it to?? :confused:

    But I get your thoughts too! I always wonder when I read a CS complaint just all that was involved that turned one sour toward a particular company!...when there gun malfunctioned did they expect immediate restitution...fedex should have been in there driveway while they were on the phone...the shipping should be covered and when it is returned I should get stock in your company.... I have seen a lot of situations that are hard to figure out..Taurus in particular...some have had to pay shipping...some have not...some have took weeks,,,,some have took only days....some have gotten more than just the problem resolved...they got extras as an apology I suppose.

    It is a perplexing question (the hate)...one that will never be answered or resolved I speculate? It seems Gun Brands are like marriages..they either work or end up in Divorce Court with bitter shades of betrayal! :scrutiny:
     
  14. USAF_Vet

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    People are going to buy A) what they like and can afford, or B) what they will settle for because they can't afford what they want. People will also buy C) things other people like, mostly due to ignorance and status desires.
    My family and friends don't give a rip that I own a Hi Point, but internet gun snobs I'll never meet sure seem to.

    Odds are, I'll never own an H&K, mostly due to price. A gun is a gun, and as long as it goes bang when I want it to and doesn't when I don't, I'm good with that. I don't need someone's approval of my purchase for me to enjoy it.
     
  15. Gunnerpalace

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    No he did not,

    You have valid points, he did not.

    Except that their customer service is on par with Dell's that's true.
     
  16. joeq

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    That's all that matters. :)
     
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    I have 2 Taurus handguns. Both have many years and many rounds fired. My 1 and only CS experience was as good as I could hope for. Sent my old and well used model 94 in as it would not relieably fire 22's any more. 2 weeks total time gone till it was back with a new fireing pin . This was about 8 months ago. Works like new again. Not bad for a 20+ year old revolver with 2 kids and me working hard to wear in out. This was my practice gun for the 85SS i carried for 22 years. 2 great handguns.
     
  18. CajunBass

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    Because tearing down something someone else has makes people feel better about what they do have.
     
  19. Walkalong

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    Very funny reply, and I love my Kimber, although I did replace the slide stop and thumb safety. :D
     
  20. oldvet53

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    I own a Rock Island Armory 1911A1 FS G.I. Government model, I know that a lot of people don't like the Philippine built guns but I got out the door with 50 rounds and FFl transfer for $500.00 and this is built as good and works as well as many 1911's that cost twice the price. So I know I'll receive flack over that about mim parts but most built here do also and if I can buy 2 that work as well and have the best CS that I have encountered and a life time warranty I'll shoot mine and enjoy it at less than half the price.
     
  21. EddieNFL

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    Dr. Phil's got nothing on you, brother.

    I'll never own an H&K. I refuse to pay for a firearm that has the "&" symbol in it's name.
     
  22. Ole Coot

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    Hate is a pretty strong word. Some firearms I don't like and won't buy some but what works for you I don't insult. To each his own.
     
  23. Guillermo

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    I guess I am not a hater because I don't loathe any of the guns you mentioned


    HK...don't have any strong feelings other than affection for my P7

    Taurus...not in the market for one but they are the best value of the big 3 (Smith quality and 60% of the price)

    Judge...silly useless gun but I don't hate it. Toys have their place. If it goes bang and the owner is happy I am all for it.
     
  24. Kliegl

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    Eddie, there's no & in the name. Certain people, including one on this board, know that, and persist in being wrong for reasons of their own choosing. Technically, the article between the two guys' names is und, which is German for 'and'. Here is a picture (copyright me, sometime last year) cropped down to show the relevant logo on the slide of my USP (which has a sensible safety, fine trigger, balances well with a loaded mag, and whose trigger guard is not a problem at all.)

    [​IMG]
     
  25. Tomcat47

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    Cajun... You said it all in 16 words!

     
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