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So you don't care about Jose Padilla

Discussion in 'Legal' started by Fletchette, Jan 16, 2006.

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  1. Fletchette

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    It only happens to terrorists, right?

    Check out this smuggled letter from a guy accused (not proven) of tax fraud (not "terrorism"):

    So much for ‘Rights of the Accussed’.
    http://www.justiceforwalt.com/public/fromwalt_11_05.html

     
  2. Wllm. Legrand

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    Until it happens to them or a close family member, 90% of Americans don't give a whit about civil rights.

    Yet I see all those "Support the Troops" magnet bumber signs out there....meaningless.

    Until someone they know is raped in prison, the prevailing attitude is, "*** 'em."

    Jose Padilla. Terrorist. Right. The way things are going, and the way the laws are written, some of what is written here could pass for "domestic terrorism".

    Land of the Free....Home of the Brave....

    Yeah....
     
  3. cbsbyte

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    If this is true I feel very sorry for the man. This is only one side of the story. What is the other?

    Well I read the website including the public transcripts. It looks like he used offshore accounts through false companies so he would not have to pay income tax, and business tax on his earnings. Well under US law this is illegal. Now the question of his being detained and not be allowed a trial is up to interupation depending on whose side you believe. He could be using current public information about illegal abuses of terriost to make himself look simpathatic.
     
  4. Fletchette

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    The other side of this story may never be known, for I doubt that he will get a fair trial. I do know he was charged with tax evasion, but even the guilty deserve a fair trial and legal council.
     
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    this the same walt Anderson that wanted to turn the space station into shopping center or something.

    The guy could best be describes as eccentric, I don't think I would trust his word, as to conditions and treatment, by itself

    O.J was held for about a year wasn't he?
     
  6. Fletchette

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    Let me get this straight; because this man is eccentric he can be arrested, and held without bail for a year? Even if you don't believe his inside accounts it is an uncontestable fact that he is being held without bail and has no contact with anyone (except for shouting to his lawyers through thick glass).
     
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    ...and that means that we can suspend the Constitution?!?:banghead:
     
  9. cbsbyte

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    Do you know for a fact he is telling the truth or anything he said is true. Sorry, we don't know if any of the information about is treatmeant in prison is even true. He could be lying.
     
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    No. BUT <--- big BUT

    He seems to be eccentric enough that I would like to see some sort of corroberation of his side of the story before I get my shorts in a bunch.
     
  11. Fletchette

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    I know for a fact that he has been charged with a crime (not convicted) and cannot contact anyone except his lawyers, and that is only through the thick glass.

    Why can't he speak with family or friends? Why no bail?
     
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    .OK here we go again
    Please show me where I said that he should be arrested for being eccentric.
    Or I can just show you where I said that due to eccentricity ( polite word for being a nut job) his word cannot be taken as gospel.

    As someone who has been in jail before I find his account to be fantastic to point of utter cow flop.

    But just because he says it's true then it must be to some people.
    There isn't even any proof that the letter actually came from him and if it did and he has to smuggle a pen into his cell and all his mail is intercepted and censored how the hell did he get the letter out.

    Suspending disbelief is fine when watching Cinderella but real life requires a little common sense

    Flight risks usually get held without bond, didn't they hold OJ for about a year
     
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    How do you know that for a fact?

    And where has the constitution been suspended?
    He had his due process on the bail issue and it was denied just like it was for OJ
     
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    He 'forgot' to report 1/2 billion in income, yet he's trying to paint himself as a middle aged innocent man who has a little mixup with the IRS. :rolleyes:
    I really feel bad for him, I really do. Maybe he and Kenneth Lay can be bunkmates.
     
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    The internet is a great tool. You can learn of stuff you never knew existed.

    You can also be the subject of scams and propaganda based on the word of one individual and a server.

    Maybe true, maybe not. Can't tell. I'll withhold my comments about a fascist US until I learn more. I will not be stampeded by self-serving propaganda. There is always at least two sides to every story. I draw no conclusions until I see at least two sides. Skepticism and cynicism are two sides of the same coin.:D
     
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    Owing a few hundred million $$s and having a record of living under a number of aliases in several different countries would fall under my definition of 'flight risk.'
     
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    I rest my case until further verfiable information is found. Personally, I have no synthpathy for con artist and people who take advantage of the system for their own personal gain. I dislike the IRS, but doing what he did was still illegal under the current law. Some people are held in jail for years until a court is able to hear there case.
     
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    When you find out, let me know..
    I apologize for going off topic, but the above member's
    remark induced me to recall this sort of disturbing, at least to
    me, website I saw featured on CNN one time and how easy
    it really was to find info regarding others..> :uhoh:
    www.abika.com
     
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    Thanks for the link, I'll have to send it to my Father-in-law. It will save him a lot of money in the long run if he can weed out the deadbeat or drug dealers that try to rent apartments from him.
     
  21. Fletchette

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    The way the justice system is supposed to work:

    1) Police/DA suspect an individual of a crime.

    2) Police gather evidence. This often entails convincing a judge that there is sufficient evidence to violate the suspects privacy. If the judge agrees there is sufficient evidence, he can issue a search warrant. If not, the police cannot violate the suspects privacy.

    3) Once sufficient evidence is gathered, the police arrest the suspect and charge him with a crime. If they cannot charge him of a crime in a reasonable amount of time (a couple of days) he must be released.

    4) Once the accused is charged with a crime he is allowed legal council. If he cannot afford it, legal council must be provided to him. The accused and the legal council must be given adequate time to assemble a legal defense. Unless the accused poses grave danger to the community, he must be allowed to post bond (bail) and released pending trial.

    5) A trial must be scheduled in a reasonable amount of time (speedy trial). If a Grand Jury agrees that there is enough evidence to proceed, then the accused must stand trial. If not, he must be released and charges dropped.

    6) After a fair trial, where the defense is allowed to examine all the evidence and cross-examine the witnesses, a jury of citizens (not the government) decides guilt or innocence. (Note: This is where the accused is deemed guilty). If guilty, the defendant may file for appeal. If innocent, the government may not retry the defendant a second time on the same charges.

    The way the system is currently working:

    1) The police/DA suspect a individual of a crime (or simply don’t like him).

    2) The police arrest the individual, may or may not charge him, and put him in a cell.

    3) No one gets to talk with the individual.

    4) Years go by. People forget, or make excuses and assume that the government is right.
     
  22. Fletchette

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    How do you know he did it?

    Some people are indeed held for years before trial, that does not make it right.
     
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    Yeah...........as if he's a violent offender and a danger to the public.:rolleyes:
     
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    To make that leap of faith you would have to believe the claims made by Mr Anderson. I don't.
     
  25. IndianaDean

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    Tax evasion. Charged for evading something that by its definition is supposed to be voluntary, not mandatory.
     
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