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So you've got 'im at gunpoint...

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Drjones, Dec 30, 2002.

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  1. Drjones

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    Let's say that someone breaks into your home, and he is visibly unarmed. You confront him, and he does as you order: stop, freeze, whatever.

    Now what? Do you keep him there at gunpoint while someone calls 911? What if you are alone? You can't really call 911 and keep full attention on him, obviously.

    Do you just have him leave? My problem with this is; what if you release him, only to have him strike elsewhere? What if he seriously hurt or killed someone the next time? I'd feel awful, knowing I could have stopped him...

    Like Spidey and his poor Uncle...:(
     
  2. cheygriz

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    Keep him covered and contact law enforcement. (DON'T GET WITHIN 10 FEET OF HIM IF YOU CAN AVOID IT!!!!) If you're alone, yell at the neighbor or a passerby to call LE. Order him to lie flat on the floor on his stomach with his arms out and palms up.

    Now the problem! If he tells you to take a flying **** at a rolling donut, and walks away, there isn't a damn thing you can do. If he's trying to escape, you cannot legally (or morally) shoot him.

    Try to memorize every detail that you can about his appearance, clothing ,hair, complexion, build, height, weight, mannerisms, and anything else that can ID him.

    As soon as he leaves, WRITE DOWN everyhing you can about him and give ot to the responding officer.

    If you do that, your conscience should be clear. You've done everyhing you could.
     
  3. spacemanspiff

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    you can still cover the threat with one hand holding the firearm and the other holding the cordless phone.

    now heres a countering question:
    if he is fully unarmed, is your finger still on the trigger while it is trained on the intruder?
     
  4. Kevlarman

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    Of course not. My finger is never on the trigger unless I'm in the act of firing the weapon.
     
  5. sm

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    Good advice above

    Finger off trigger until ready to shoot
     
  6. Noban

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    Have the perp pick up the phone and call himself in :D
     
  7. Graystar

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    Why did you give him orders in the first place?? You're not a cop...shoot!

    1 out of every 6 cops that are shot and killed, are shot with their own gun. You are taking an enormous risk by not shooting. You're not responsible for public safety....only your own. Shoot.
     
  8. HABU

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    ROFLMFAO!
     
  9. AZTOY

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    I agree 100%, shoot first then call 911.
     
  10. Topgun

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    Yeah....by all means....SHOOT.

    The guy probably NEEDS your house and bank account and everything you will earn from now on.

    Cuz that's what he's gonna git when he or his widow/moll/ho/skank calls the law-yah an turns him loose on you.


    AMAZING.

    Tell me all about the presumption of harm if he is in your house. I can tell you of 10 times as many "mistakes" of poor misguided "drunks" who came in by "accident."

    You NEVER shoot unless you are about to die. Now if you don't have any assets, then go ahead and f-up your life.
     
  11. spacemanspiff

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    i suppose then, the rhetorical question is "would your conscience allow you to 'retire' a criminal, even if he/she is unarmed?"






    btw, rhetorical means we arent supposed to answer it, just contemplate it.
     
  12. Mike Irwin

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    Work your way to a phone.

    If you suspect someone is in your home, you should already have a phone in your hand.

    If he wants to leave, you can order him to stop, threaten him, but if he wants to leave, let him. Don't try to tackle him, don't try to restrain him, just let him go.
     
  13. Betty

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    If I can get a man to stop without shooting him, than that's easier on all of us. If I feel I'm not in imminent danger of being harmed, I'm not shooting. Less legal hassle, not to mention I don't have to get a new couch because his guts are all over it. If he won't comply and comes after me, then I shoot.

    I'd tell the man to lie prone, hands out, palms up, legs crossed at the ankles. Makes it easier to phone for police with him on the ground. If he runs off, he runs off. If he runs at me...
     
  14. Pendragon

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    Well, presuming you have cause to shoot, if goes:

    Shoot, reload then call 911.
     
  15. Mike Irwin

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    I know that some people feel that the presence of an uninvited person in your home is an imminent threat that requires immediate application of lethal force.

    I don't.

    I do, however, believe that it is possible to murder someone who breaks into your home.

    And that it's wrong.

    When you shoot someone, your life changes, and likely not exactly for the better.
     
  16. answerguy

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    That is actually a sensible answer. Push the phone to him, tell him to dial 911 and you yell for the police to come out.

    For me that is going to completely depend on what I caught him doing. If I found him rummaging through my belongings that's one thing, but if he just raped my daughter he's not likely to get out alive.
     
  17. Matthew Courtney

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    1)How is someone visably unarmed, unless they are naked?

    2)Every room in my house contains several things which might be used as deadly weapons. What is to prevent this violent felon from arming himself?

    I would likely shoot if there is any chance that the intruder may injur my wife, my children, or me. I have plenty of liability insurance so that I may protect my family and let the insurance company lawyers cover my ASSets.
     
  18. cratz2

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    So, how exactly do you tell for sure if someone is unarmed? Ask him? Expecting an honest answer? I doubt that an intruder that was looking for money/goods etc in a house into which he had just broken would have a gun in his hand unless it was within the first minute or so of being inside the house.

    If someone is in my house in the middle of the night while my kids and my wife are upstairs and they don't run as fast as they can the moment they see me, I'm gonna need Stanley Steamer to clean my carpets. I think that 99% of not so bad guys would bolt like lightning so if the guy is standing there looking at me, in my book, he's a real bad guy...

    I can live with being arrested. I can live with giving up my 'right' to legally possess a firearm but I could not live with breathing my last few breaths watching a really bad guy walk up my stairs towards my wife and kids because I hesitated.
     
  19. G-Raptor

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    I would ASSUME that any uninvited person in my house is armed whether I see a weapon or not. Why? Because there are a couple of dozen "deadly weapons" in my garage and kitchen. If he didn't bring a weapon with him, he would have ample opportunity to acquire one once he's inside.

    If he is "apparently" unarmed and between me and the outside door, I would be inclined to give him the option to leave. If he's between me and my wife, or refuses to leave, he's going down on the floor - either on his own or with a hole in his chest. He'll stay there until the police arrive.

    My principal concern in such a situation is the immediate protection of my wife and myself. If some guy wanders in my mistake (not likely), he'll have an opportunity to leave, otherwise...
     
  20. thumbtack

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    If I run across uninvited guest in my house I don't think I will take the time to see if he is unarmed or try in engage him in conversation.
     
  21. labgrade

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    CO law actually allows for a great bit of leeway here = they're in your house uninvited (essentially) & they should expect to die there. Their call. Anything a better outcome & they came off lucky.

    A perp-type who lives through any initial encounter will be face down (etc. per Runt's methods & maybe a bit more stringent).

    I'll make the call, thank you very much. Who says the yahoo'll even be talking to anyone? :rolleyes:

    Said perp even makes a(nother) false move & he gets ventilated till he quits moving - already under an immediate death sentence & lucky enough that he's on this borrowed time.

    Coupla comments toward this regard ought to make 'im feel possitively lucky that he may yet get to go to jail .....

    Absolutely no quarter. None.

    & Mike, I couldn't agree more. But, I've already got the T-shirt. What's that saying? "After the first one, the rest are free." ????

    (that didn't come across as I wanted it to - it'll have to suffice till we talk face-to-face .... )
     
  22. Preacherman

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    For heaven's sake, DON'T let the perp make the 911 call!!! What if he dials 911 as instructed, waits until the dispatcher answers, then hollers "Help! I'm being threatened by a man with a gun! He's going to kill me! Save me!" You're in a world of hurt, because the responding officers now have only the word of the lying felon to go by, and if you're the one with a gun in your hand... get the picture? :uhoh:
     
  23. Hardtarget

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    I will not wonder about this because it is a "non-event". If he broke into my house he will be shot before I look to see if he is armed. If he's bad enough to break in , he's bad enough to do serious bodily harm to my family and self. Therefore, no games.
    Mark.
     
  24. gryphon

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    I don't see too many drunks or mistaken entries into my house. the big metal steel door with the 2 dead bolts pretty much takes care of that. Now if they expended all the effort to get in through the door, the police should be here by the time they get through. And if not, I have had plenty of time to load up weapon of choice and wait casually on the couch for as long as it takes.

    If them looking down the barrel of a 45 or an AK doesn't deter them, the firing of live rounds in their direction will either get them to scatter, or have the coroner stopping by.
     
  25. 4v50 Gary

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    First, do what cops do. Prone him out spread eagle with legs apart & toes pointed inward, palms up and head looking away from you.

    In proning him, make sure you can reach the phone w/out getting into a fight and where you can monitor him while you're on the phone.
     
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