Solvent trap

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You should.



Odd, how they've been doing exactly that for decades.



If you took the time to read the links you'll note Customs AND ATF were involved. No need for Customs to "misinterpret" ATF regs when ATF is holding the item in question.
Further, what proof do you have that ATF regs were misinterpreted?




Cool story bro.



Says who?



No sir, for the 87th time you have failed to grasp that what I posted isn't personal opinion but a link to what ATF's opinion is.



I'm not walking on eggshells and everything isn't illegal.
But your claim "...Any one who tells you buying a solvent trap is illegal, or that the ATF will raid you if you buy one is full of ...." is clearly false. I posted evidence that shreds your assertion to the bone.

Bottom line is that there is no bottom line as to when a solvent trap becomes a silencer. Anyone contemplating building a Form 1 silencer from a solvent trap or fuel filter damn well better be prepared for the consequences.

You totally left out technical advisories and court rulings. That's why you think everything is illegal.
Your logic is about 9 years out of date. If this were 2010 to 2011 I would agree with you.

If it were illegal then why did the NFA accept and cut tax stamps for 2 solvent traps and for the design of those silencers I used the manufacturer supplied drawings?
It was very obvious what I was doing.
If you kept up with rulings and tech advisories you would know why.

 

[dogtown tom]

You totally left out technical advisories and court rulings. That's why you think everything is illegal.

I didn't leave anything out and I don't believe "everything is illegal"........that would be stupid.
I posted information direct from ATF that you disagree with.....so you insult me instead of taking your argument to the guys with handcuffs.

Take a deep breath and think for a minute who you are really arguing with.

Your logic is about 9 years out of date. If this were 2010 to 2011 I would agree with you.

Again, have someone else explain to you that it isn't dogtown tom's logic, but ATF's logic. Surely you know that.

If it were illegal then why did the NFA accept and cut tax stamps for 2 solvent traps and for the design of those silencers I used the manufacturer supplied drawings?

1. ATF doesn't know you are making a silencer from a solvent trap....just making to the specified caliber and OAL.
2. "manufacturer supplied drawings"........huh? There is no requirement to show ATF your design and its not part of the Form 1 application or the approval process.

It was very obvious what I was doing.

No it isn't. A Form 1 doesn't ask for anything other than caliber and OAL for a silencer. ATF doesn't ask or really give a hoot whether you intend to make your silencer from a collection of parts you bought at Home Depot or from a kit you bought off the internet.

If you kept up with rulings and tech advisories you would know why.

You mean the rulings and advisories like the one posted above from the same federal agency that just seized a website and is seizing those solvent traps at Customs?

Your arguments lack.

 

[748]

So you don't have coherent answer to why the ATF/NFA allows supposedly illegal solvent traps to be tax stamped?
No surprise.

 

[dogtown tom]

So you don't have coherent answer to why the ATF/NFA allows supposedly illegal solvent traps to be tax stamped?
No surprise.

I don't need to supply you with an answer because I'm not the one making the legal determination whether a particular solvent trap or fuel filter is a silencer. As explained to you ad nauseum...........that's what ATF does.

But, AGAIN.........nowhere on the Form 1 is there a place to indicate that the firearm you are making is based on a "solvent trap".

So...........what is YOUR coherent answer to this question.....why is ATF seizing website and contraband solvent kits and deeming them silencers?

I eagerly await your awesome coherent response.

 

[JohnKSa]

...why the ATF/NFA allows supposedly illegal solvent traps to be tax stamped?

This is sort of a meaningless question.

Of course you can get them tax stamped and once you have the proper paperwork then they're legal to possess and use as silencers. It's when you try to skirt the NFA by purchasing/possessing/using them without going through the proper process that you can run into trouble.

I don't think that what's going on here has anything to do with an actual misunderstanding, so I'm going to summarize and then close this thread.

Summary:
Don't buy/possess silencer kits (regardless of what they are called or how they are marketed) until you have gone through the proper legal process under the NFA and have the necessary paperwork on hand. Trying to circumvent/bypass/shortcut the NFA is not smart.