Some 3D Printing Companies Are Taking Action Against Gun Blueprints

[Aim1]

Hmmm....wonder how this will pan out if it’s the major 3D printers.



https://www.npr.org/2018/08/14/6386...nies-are-taking-action-against-gun-blueprints

Some 3D Printing Companies Are Taking Action Against Gun Blueprints

August 14, 20184:39 PM ET

Leading 3D printing companies are trying to get ahead of the issue of 3D gun blueprints. Some companies are using gun-blocking software to deter people from printing functional guns.

 

[RetiredUSNChief]

Yeah...like pen companies and printer companies are going to be able to stop me from writing/printing whatever I want on their products, too?

Get real.

This is Politically Correct Posturing.

 

[DoubleMag]

And Momma said '' I'm going to the store, be back in 1/2 hour. No matter what happens little son, do NOT look in the box in the closet.''

These companies, governments, drawing attention to that which most persons would never-ever be interested in, save TELLING those persons they can't do this, or that.

''The bright spotlight is on what?''
''Never noticed'' said no one, in the dark.

 

[AlexanderA]

At this point in time, 3D printing of guns is a red herring distraction. Wired magazine had an interesting piece, in which a staffer (not a machinist or particularly a "gun guy") actually used three different methods to try to complete an AR-15 lower receiver: (1) an "80%" receiver completed with a jig and drill press, (2) a 3D printer, and (3) a small "Ghost Gunner" CNC milling machine (available a couple of years ago for about $1,500). Of the three methods, only the CNC milling machine produced acceptable results when used by an amateur. As the cost of these small CNC milling machines comes down, they're going to eclipse 3D printing.

Here's the citation to the article: https://www.wired.com/2015/06/i-made-an-untraceable-ar-15-ghost-gun/

 

[JONWILL]

All this stuff is such a joke. Even before 3D and 80% all someone needed was some very basic tools to make functioning guns. Not talking zip guns. Talking Sten type guns. They’re pretty much stamped sheet metal and some parts that need to be welded and drilled.
Lathe. Drill press. Band saw. Bench grinder. Welder

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[Deanimator]

All this stuff is such a joke. Even before 3D and 80% all someone needed was some very basic tools to make functioning guns. Not talking zip guns. Talking Sten type guns. They’re pretty much stamped sheet metal and some parts that need to be welded and drilled.
Lathe. Drill press. Band saw. Bench grinder. Welder

Actually, Sten guns are WAY more expensive than they need to be.

The final iterations of the Ingram SMGs were so simplified that even the BOLTS were stamped, filled with lead for inertia mass, with a pressed protrusion on the face for a firing pin.

I love the looks on the faces of anti-gun cultists when I tell them these things. The looks of utter emotional devastation on their faces is incredibly gratifying. You'd have to have a heart of stone not to laugh.

 

[boom boom]

Abolishing knowledge of such widely distributed facts and knowledge is effectively impossible without shredding most of the Constitution through statutes. As a result, the penalties must get more and more draconian if you want to discourage average joe from engaging in such activities and result in creating the apparatus of a police state.

 

[Deanimator]

Abolishing knowledge of such widely distributed facts and knowledge is effectively impossible without shredding most of the Constitution through statutes. As a result, the penalties must get more and more draconian if you want to discourage average joe from engaging in such activities and result in creating the apparatus of a police state.

Ultimately what they will need (and which some will admit that they want) is a Luddite police state that would make the Khmer Rouge cringe.

They don't hate guns.

They hate human autonomy.

 

[Deus Machina]

This isn't the companies that make the machines, it's the companies that own machines for others to use or order from.
If they make a gun and ship it out, there's a liability--they're not licensed firearms manufacturers.
If someone else makes a gun on them and carries it out, there's a liability--see the cases of sellers being sued for a user's actions. Or even that user suing when one's worn and deconstructs in his hands, with the BS some lawyers will take on.

 

[CapnMac]

The 3d printing market, at present, is more than passing odd.
While there are a number of "home" machines, those are largely just "hobby" machines, trinkets, baubles, or proof of concept makers.

So, rather a lot of 3d printing is "farmed" out to companies that have the big, many-thousands, machines with a range of feedstocks available.

Those companies are pretty strict on copyright compliance and legal manufacture of items. So, while all sorts of 3d files are available, actually making them can be a chore.

Which comes to the complete and utter surprise of the ninnyhammers in what passes for media these days.

 

[Superlite27]

Why go through the hassle of stealing a gun to hold up the local Piggy-Wiggly for $40, a carton of cigarettes, and a handle of Jim Beam when you can simply spend $10,000 in order to set up a tedious machine that requires utilizing specialized technical knowledge, downloading compatible software, and experimenting with different building materials in order to print a composite firearm of questionable functionality and durability to do so?

Fools.

 

[reddog81]

All this attention on 3D guns has probably increased the demand and interest in the topic 10 fold. The threat makes for a great media headline but has no basis in current reality. However If the media continues to focus on 3D guns you can be certain people in this arena will develop a functional gun much sooner than would have otherwise happened. I'm sure there are people out there trying to develop a reliable prototype that would have never even considered making a gun before.

 

[AlexanderA]

As long as legal avenues to gun ownership remain open, these alternative means of manufacture will never gain traction. (Even an "80%" lower costs more than a discounted stripped lower from normal channels of distribution.) Close the door on legal gun ownership, and these "ghost guns" will proliferate. This is something the antigunners need to keep in mind.

 

[DoubleMag]

I just wonder after this current ''fad'' passes out of the limelight, what the next focus of ''all things evil and unholy thus causing all crimes'' will be? London England is not stopping at butter knives, best we ketchup! Butter knives, ketchup; get it ?

What and when, but not if.

 

[Peter Gun]

I think there’s an upside to this hoopla.
Focusing gun control this way alerts non gun tech people to the dangers of government restriction of rights. Now it’s a first amendment issue, not just a second. Also, the antis will probably decide they should restrict the sale of 3D printers, lots of tech money interets won’t like that.

 

[Demi-human]

They hate human autonomy.

Many things here could bear repeating. None more so than this.

If one can control what is considered hate-speech, why stop there? "Hate inducing ideas" would be next.

...what the next focus of ''all things evil and unholy thus causing all crimes'' will be?

Scary, scary thoughts of actual, completely unsafe, unfair and unregulated, able to fail even though you had the right intentions, Freedom...



I can see why a "Three D" printing company would not like to take up a firearms manufacturing business.
But trying to regulate a private citizen from obtaining new technology and information seems incredibly Medieval.



To that point, why is there not a large outcry against rail guns? I watched an experimental one send a one ounce steel horseshoe shaped projectile through a car, long ways. With no toxic lead to ban, no explosive chemicals to regulate, no predetermined scary shape and ran upon "Clean Electricity"(made by Coal, shh.), there is almost nothing to save "Us" from a mob of Rail-Gun toting, hyper-tech gangsters bent on stealing every "AA" and phone battery in the town!

 

[SSN Vet]

This whole topic is just the left using the ignorance of the masses to stoke fear.

They can't sell their broken and discredited ideas any other way, but to make people afraid. And what do people fear most? Stuff they don't understand.

You want a perfect parallel from the 1970s? Nuclear power. Hanoi Jane and her hysterical movie China Syndrome scared the crap out of people and then 3 Mile Island happened and everyone wet their pants, killing nuclear power development in the US. (Increasing our dependence on fossil fuels and transferring the wealth of our nation to the middle east). But if you stood at the point where the perimeter fence was closest to the reactor containment buildings and pressed your body spread eagle against the fence and stayed there for the entire week that the 3MI event happened, you would have received 1/3 of the radiation that you would get flying from NY to LA. But did the crybaby left bother to tell anyone this?

This article just detailed a commercial 3D print shop guy saying that it takes a very expensive printer to make a suitable part and that the commercial shops that can afford such rigs will, for liability reasons, not allow firearms parts to be printed on their rigs. But no.... little Bobby next door got a 3D printer for Christmas and your little Billy saw the Darth Vader chess piece he printed and now your gonna pass out for fear that Bobby is the next school shooter.

My only hope is that the left is going to go so full on loony that even our brain washed public school youngins will start to shake their heads. One thing to remember is that in all of their liberal shtick that they push, there's an undercurrent that rejects authority.... but the only way the left can implement their world view is through mega-oppressive total authority. But modern day wiz kids don't like being told what to do.

 

[Deus Machina]

To that point, why is there not a large outcry against rail guns? I watched an experimental one send a one ounce steel horseshoe shaped projectile through a car, long ways. With no toxic lead to ban, no explosive chemicals to regulate, no predetermined scary shape and ran upon "Clean Electricity"(made by Coal, shh.), there is almost nothing to save "Us" from a mob of Rail-Gun toting, hyper-tech gangsters bent on stealing every "AA" and phone battery in the town!

Because they either haven't seen it, or to them that appears to take personal skill and knowledge, while 3d printers are "just push Print."
Remember, these are the same people or the direct peers to those that were afraid of subliminal messages on CDs and brainwashing in video games.

 

[RetiredUSNChief]

Hmmm...

Now I've gotta add "rail gun" to my list of projects to build!

 

[tactikel]

My Dad was a machinist, with a mill and lathe he could make a serviceable firearm in hours. Firearm manufacture is 19 th century technology easily made with hand tools. Anything made with a 3D printer can be far more easily made with a hobbiest lathe, and some bar stock. Suck it up " snowflakes" firearms are here to stay.

 

[Aim1]

Update:


http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2018/08...xtended-by-judge-pending-state-challenge.html

3-D printed gun ban extended by judge pending state challenge

By Christopher Carbone, James Rogers | Fox News

A judge in Seattle extended a ban on publishing instructions for 3-D printed guns during state litigation over the controversial practice, handing a procedural victory to gun-control advocates.

The ruling, handed down in the U.S. District Court for the Western District of Washington, marks the latest chapter in the ongoing battle over 3D-printed weapons.

 

[RetiredUSNChief]

Methinks the cat is already out of the bag.

 

[Swifty Morgan]

This is so stupid. How many milling machines and lathes are there in America?

 

[wally]

They forget that in the Warsaw ghetto Polish Jews produced serviceable weapons despite the "gun control" enforced by the Gestapo. Primers and powder (ammo) was the real limitation.

 

[John_R]

Imagine if Xerox controlled what books you could copy the pages of, or if computer makers prevented you from writing certain things. Or Google not letting you read the Bible online.