Some people just shouldn't be allowed to have dangerous things.

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Its amazing what they teach at public schools that is worthless and what they do not, that would benefit us all...
Yes, but at least when they are bleeding out from a self-inflicted accidental discharge they will be able to calculate the area of a cone.

Seriously, as a retired teacher I couldn’t agree more. The curriculum is full of so much stuff that students will never use, yet we routinely graduate people who couldn’t fill out the 1040 EZ form.
 
While the premise of the thread -- "some people shouldn't be allowed to have dangerous things" -- is correct, the problem comes about when this is translated into laws. No matter how you try to address this, the result is always going to be a further restriction of gun rights. I venture to say that no one here would support such restrictions. So I guess we just have to live with the idiots and their idiotic behavior. On a personal level, be doubly cautious around your fellow gun owners.
 
I went to a gun show yesterday, and as per usual, there is a sign on the door at the venue clearly saying that all guns entering need to be checked by the police officer, no loaded guns past this point. Pretty standard. I walk in and set my gun I was trying to sell or trade on the table, and wait for the officer and the man in front of me to get finished doing what needed to be done, so I could get it checked and zip-tied. This 20-something child walks in and just cuts in front of me (which really pissed me off) and asks if all guns need to be checked and the officer tells him yes, just like it says on the door. This moron says OK, pulls out a 22 loaded pistol and starts to clear it right there (yes, there was 1 in the chamber), flagging the lady selling tickets sitting just to the left of the cop. I'm was about to jump all over his case for cutting the line in front of me, but when I saw what was transpiring, I got out of the way and let the officer handle the situation (as much as I wanted to grab the gun and jerk him off his feet by the stacking swivel for both his disrespect and disregard of other people's safety). It ended with the officer escorting the idiot to the door, giving him back his gun and mag, and telling him he's lucky he's not in cuffs. These are the kind of entitled people who think that the rules and commion sense are for everyone else, who end up having accidents and giving the rest of us a bad name.
I've always been annoyed that I can't bring my CCW gun loaded into a gun show as long as it stays in the holster, but I understand why things need to be dumbed down to the lowest denominator to mitigate the stupidest of us from causing a potentially deadly accident. Yet, despite the simple instructions and safeguards, an idiot will always find a way to screw things up.
It ended with the officer escorting the idiot to the door, giving him back his gun and mag, and telling him he's lucky he's not in cuffs.
Why is he "lucky he's not in cuffs"? What law did he violate?
 
In decades of visiting gunshows and gun shops, I have witnessed one loaded gun clearing each at the civic auditorium gun show (Beretta pistol) and at a local gun shop (pump action rifle).
Both cases the possessor had inherited a gun but had no interest keeping the gun and was looking to sell it.
Apparently the deceased relative passed away leaving the gun loaded for home or livestock defense and no one either knew how to check it or didn't bother).
I'll bet every gun show gate keeper and gun shop employee has had more incidents to speak of. I guess I'm lucky.
 
The stupid lives on both sides of the table. Yesterday at the Pasadena TX show I watched a female ammo seller tell a twenty something male that the bigger the bullet is, the farther it will shoot. He was shopping for 45acp, not that it mattered.
 
I haven't been to a gun show in probably 15 years.

If I remember right all gun shows in Colorado Springs were Sertoma and all the guns on the dealer tables had the slide locked to the rear and they were zip tied.

Since I knew that I was going to have to unload and show clear at the door I don't think I ever brought a gun into the gun show unless I was looking for a holster or a magazine.

Those few times I approached the entrance with the slide already locked open on whatever gun I was bringing in.

About 10 years ago somebody had a negligent discharge in the gun show venue. A building belonging to UCCS on North Nevada in Colorado Springs.

I wasn't there. I have no details. I heard about it on the news and I know that that was the last gun show ever held in that building.
 
Cabela's requires you to check your firearms when you come in. Why did this dingus think he was above the rules? Gun owners like this give the rest of us responsible ones a bad name. This is why I'm always wary of the Constitutional carry, because of people like that.

Get training people. Find a way to take some PTO from work (you'll still get your 8 hours) and take a class. You really have no excuse to not know the rules of firearms safety.

I'm hopefully hitting the range this sunday, taking my AR out for the first time since owning it. I have a chamber lock on mine. Might get a chamber clear flag to keep in there as well. Least then with it being cased, I can show it's clear and there's no issues.
 
I would imagine that carrying a loaded weapon into a prohibited place (the placard on the front door) would be a violation of the law…….
Depends on the state. In KY the law specifies the places that are off limits. Other places can put up a sign but it doesn’t carry the force of law. If you’re caught ignoring the sign they can tell you to leave or trespass you, but you aren’t breaking the law.
 
If I'm carrying concealed , then it's nobody's business but my own.

I ignore "no firearms/weapons" signs unless enforced with a metal detector or it's a specific government building area where guns are banned by law.

In my state, if possession of a firearm is not banned by law, then the only thing that can be done to me is to be asked to leave. If I refuse to leave, then it becomes criminal trespassing. I've never been asked to leave because nobody ever becomes aware of my little secret.
 
While putting on shows for a charity orginization for 15 years, we had two ADs during setup, from legal carry guys, while clearing gns inside the building during setup, inside the show building. Then was present at another show where the show just opened and a loaded pump shotgun was on a table, not zip tied. The security guys were going through checking tables after they opened the show....not good. A 12ga with bird shot went off pointed down ann aisle.

First two, we just packed up their junk, on Friday night, and they hit thev parking lot, banned for life. The other one, we were guests, so we just spun around, went right back out the door and drove 7 hours, back home.

Any more, thse nut cases you read about, come to shows looking to create an incident any way they can. Thus, the show gun checks, tied guns and no loose ammo. Most dealers know to clear outside, never clear inside the show.
 
I have zero tolerance for stupid people. And I get really upset if stupid people put me -- or my loved ones -- in jeopardy with their stupidity.

The issue is -- we cannot legislate against, or regulate, stupidity.

It's gonna happen.

Do we want to make more gun laws to "prevent" potential stupidity from occurring? Does anyone here really believe more laws can prevent this stupidity?

Or will we simply accept that liberty is not without risk?
Well said, sir.

I've been conducting training for a long time and have seen a lot of pretty stupid things.

But I always come back to 2 things:

1. Freedom doesn't guarantee safety

2. The threat posed by tyranny far out weighs the threat of one goofball with no sense
 
Twice in the last 30-40 years I've picked up guns off of dealer's tables at gun shows that had loaded magazines in them. Neither had a round in the chamber, just the magazine. It's just a habit of mine, but the 1st thing I do anytime I pick up a gun is to open the action. When I saw rounds in the magazine, I locked the action open, removed the magazine and handed it to the dealer.
After seeing firsthand and also reading about folks firing their guns into lockers, armory walls, TV’s or themselves over the years, I have a similar routine:

First thing I do is put on safe, if the gun allows for it.

Then I drop the magazine, if the gun allows for it.

Only after steps 1 and 2 are done, then the action get opened. :)

Stay safe.
 
Cabela's requires you to check your firearms when you come in. Why did this dingus think he was above the rules? Gun owners like this give the rest of us responsible ones a bad name. This is why I'm always wary of the Constitutional carry, because of people like that.

Get training people. Find a way to take some PTO from work (you'll still get your 8 hours) and take a class. You really have no excuse to not know the rules of firearms safety.

I'm hopefully hitting the range this sunday, taking my AR out for the first time since owning it. I have a chamber lock on mine. Might get a chamber clear flag to keep in there as well. Least then with it being cased, I can show it's clear and there's no issues.
They are a good idea. :thumbup:

At my outdoor range, at each line break all magazines are dropped, actions are locked open and the gun is either put in the case/in the vehicle, set in the rack behind the shooting line, or if left on a shooting bench, a chamber flag must be in place and visible.

Its a good visual reminder to all around that you are paying attention to safety rules. :D

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Stay safe.
 
I have zero tolerance for stupid people. And I get really upset if stupid people put me -- or my loved ones -- in jeopardy with their stupidity.

The issue is -- we cannot legislate against, or regulate, stupidity.

It's gonna happen.

Do we want to make more gun laws to "prevent" potential stupidity from occurring? Does anyone here really believe more laws can prevent this stupidity?

Or will we simply accept that liberty is not without risk?
Absolutely correct liberty has to come with risks or it isn't liberty. Situational awareness we all need to get better at it.
 
Cabela's requires you to check your firearms when you come in.
Only if you're bringing it in for appraisal, scope mounting/bore sighting or fitting for an accessory do customers entering the store with a firearm need the firearm thoroughly inspected by an outfitter at the entrance of the store

That policy does not apply to licensed concealed carry firearms or to holstered firearms where open carry is permitted.
 
Well, you imagine wrong. All they can do is ask you to leave, or clear your firearm.

Carried a loaded firearm into a prohibited place....
Brandished said firearm................
Pointed (albeit prolly not intentionally) at 1 or more (negligence)....

Pretty sure that officer could find an unlawful violation there that would warrant cuff n stuff...........

But you sound like you know much more about the law than I do, so I guess I'll have to take your words as scripture.....................:thumbup::rofl::thumbup:
 
You are absolutely correct! I have worked in gun shops big and small, full and part time for over fifty years now. I've worked thousands of gun shows. I would estimate that I've seen at least one to two dozen accidental discharges in shops and at shows. I've also seen a "customer" come to the gun counter, ask to see a particular handgun, take ammununtion out of his pocket, load the gun and shoot the guy standing next to me behind the counter. I've also been at shows where an anti-2nd Amend. person has 1) asked to look at a firearm, loaded it and walked away in the hope of creating an "incident" and 2) on other occasions (yes plural) loaded a firearm and fired it in the hope of attracting bad publicity and getting gun shows outlawed. So, there are at least two "problems" -- the inherently stupid and the maliciously evil. The question is how can both be stopped. Unfortunately, I don't think they can. The best that I hope for is to educate and train people. As to the "inherently stupid," even a monkey can be trained. As to the "maliciously evil," education and life experiences, along with training, may bring them to our side.

But there is also another "issue" that is related to the original post concern CCW at shows. These days when a serious buyer go to a show, he may be carrying tens of thousands of dollars. That, along with the fact that the bad guys know that you're not supposed to carry at the show, but you may be walking for 10 minutes or more from your car to the venue, makes you a great target. Several years ago there was a rash of "incidents" at several of the large regional shows. The promoters increased security, but there are still several shows that I will not attend because of my concern. Just my thoughts. Thanks for taking the time to read.
 
Its amazing what they teach at public schools that is worthless and what they do not, that would benefit us all...

Teaching kids to wait/walk in a line begins in UTK, and is practiced throughout elementary and beyond. That was half the OPs complaint. The parts about not muzzle sweeping others in a crowded space come later.

Source: Me, everyday providing "worthless" life skills to children 4-18 years old.
 
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