fastbolt
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Well, when you can easily see frequent examples of stupid, dangerous and careless behaviors of people while driving motor vehicles on public roadways, why would it surprise anyone when people do such things with firearms?
Some people just shouldn't be allowed to have dangerous things.
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Soonerpesek
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Read like the person did MUCH more than just cut in line..
I’m guessing the OP (and others at the show) were more concerned with the person flagging others with his loaded firearm…
I wasn’t there , tho……
I am not minimizing the other behavior, but it is dog bites man. We often see foolish behaviors, but that doesn't normally trigger a proclamation that certain people should not be allowed to have a gun, a car, a knife, or whatever.
We can think what we want, but it seems short-sighted to aid and abet the anti-2A agenda this way.
The OP was only initially irritated at the line-cutting.
All that got superseded by the loaded-gun idiocy thereafter.
...and yes, I do think some people should never be allowed to touch a weapon of any type.
(The Devil, of course, ...is in the details.
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All that got superseded by the loaded-gun idiocy thereafter.
...and yes, I do think some people should never be allowed to touch a weapon of any type.
(The Devil, of course, ...is in the details.
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Miami_JBT
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You can live in a free society with certain risks or you can lived in a controlled society with no freedoms and those certain risks still exist.
"Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem." - Thomas Jefferson
Everyday and twice on Sundays thank you very much.
Instead of berating these people, educate them. Apathy among the public is a problem we're facing across the board in society. There is a lack of education. As a 2A Ambassador, educate the less knowledgeable.
"Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem." - Thomas Jefferson
Everyday and twice on Sundays thank you very much.
Instead of berating these people, educate them. Apathy among the public is a problem we're facing across the board in society. There is a lack of education. As a 2A Ambassador, educate the less knowledgeable.
A gun is like a tool it's no more dangerous that the one pulling the trigger.
The only gun you should be checking at the door of a gun show is the one you plan on selling or trading.
Keep your CCW handgun concealed and loaded.
Note nowhere in the Florida CCW law is a gun show listed as a prohibited place.
(12)(a) A license issued under this section does not authorize any person to openly carry a handgun or carry a concealed weapon or concealed firearm into:
1. Any place of nuisance as defined in s. 823.05;
2. Any police, sheriff, or highway patrol station;
3. Any detention facility, prison, or jail;
4. Any courthouse;
5. Any courtroom, except that nothing in this section precludes a judge from carrying a concealed weapon or concealed firearm or determining who will carry a concealed weapon or concealed firearm in his or her courtroom;
6. Any polling place;
7. Any meeting of the governing body of a county, public school district, municipality, or special district;
8. Any meeting of the Legislature or a committee thereof;
9. Any school, college, or professional athletic event not related to firearms;
10. Any elementary or secondary school facility or administration building;
11. Any career center;
12. Any portion of an establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption on the premises, which portion of the establishment is primarily devoted to such purpose;
13. Any college or university facility unless the licensee is a registered student, employee, or faculty member of such college or university and the weapon is a stun gun or nonlethal electric weapon or device designed solely for defensive purposes and the weapon does not fire a dart or projectile;
14. The inside of the passenger terminal and sterile area of any airport, provided that no person shall be prohibited from carrying any legal firearm into the terminal, which firearm is encased for shipment for purposes of checking such firearm as baggage to be lawfully transported on any aircraft; or
15. Any place where the carrying of firearms is prohibited by federal law.
(b) A person licensed under this section is not prohibited from carrying or storing a firearm in a vehicle for lawful purposes.
(c) This section does not modify the terms or conditions of s. 790.251(7).
(d) Any person who knowingly and willfully violates any provision of this subsection commits a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.
(13) Notwithstanding any other law, for the purposes of safety, security, personal protection, or any other lawful purpose, a person licensed under this section may carry a concealed weapon or concealed firearm on property owned, rented, leased, borrowed, or lawfully used by a church, synagogue, or other religious institution. This subsection does not limit the private property rights of a church, synagogue, or other religious institution to exercise control over property that the church, synagogue, or other religious institution owns, rents, leases, borrows, or lawfully uses.
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I also used to unload in my vehicle and check my CCW handgun at the door of Gun Shows. Seeing all the gang-bangers wearing colors outside the Tulsa Gun Show, in the parking lot, cured me of that stupidity.
Keep your CCW handgun concealed and loaded.
Note nowhere in the Florida CCW law is a gun show listed as a prohibited place.
(12)(a) A license issued under this section does not authorize any person to openly carry a handgun or carry a concealed weapon or concealed firearm into:
1. Any place of nuisance as defined in s. 823.05;
2. Any police, sheriff, or highway patrol station;
3. Any detention facility, prison, or jail;
4. Any courthouse;
5. Any courtroom, except that nothing in this section precludes a judge from carrying a concealed weapon or concealed firearm or determining who will carry a concealed weapon or concealed firearm in his or her courtroom;
6. Any polling place;
7. Any meeting of the governing body of a county, public school district, municipality, or special district;
8. Any meeting of the Legislature or a committee thereof;
9. Any school, college, or professional athletic event not related to firearms;
10. Any elementary or secondary school facility or administration building;
11. Any career center;
12. Any portion of an establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption on the premises, which portion of the establishment is primarily devoted to such purpose;
13. Any college or university facility unless the licensee is a registered student, employee, or faculty member of such college or university and the weapon is a stun gun or nonlethal electric weapon or device designed solely for defensive purposes and the weapon does not fire a dart or projectile;
14. The inside of the passenger terminal and sterile area of any airport, provided that no person shall be prohibited from carrying any legal firearm into the terminal, which firearm is encased for shipment for purposes of checking such firearm as baggage to be lawfully transported on any aircraft; or
15. Any place where the carrying of firearms is prohibited by federal law.
(b) A person licensed under this section is not prohibited from carrying or storing a firearm in a vehicle for lawful purposes.
(c) This section does not modify the terms or conditions of s. 790.251(7).
(d) Any person who knowingly and willfully violates any provision of this subsection commits a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.
(13) Notwithstanding any other law, for the purposes of safety, security, personal protection, or any other lawful purpose, a person licensed under this section may carry a concealed weapon or concealed firearm on property owned, rented, leased, borrowed, or lawfully used by a church, synagogue, or other religious institution. This subsection does not limit the private property rights of a church, synagogue, or other religious institution to exercise control over property that the church, synagogue, or other religious institution owns, rents, leases, borrows, or lawfully uses.
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I also used to unload in my vehicle and check my CCW handgun at the door of Gun Shows. Seeing all the gang-bangers wearing colors outside the Tulsa Gun Show, in the parking lot, cured me of that stupidity.
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Miami_JBT
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Gun Shows are private venues and they can bar you entry to the event if you don't agree to their rules. They aren't automatic gun-free zones per the law. But under Florida's property rights, they can as a condition of entry, bar firearms or set up any other condition. If they wish to set up a checkpoint and have a metal detector or a bag search, they can under their purview.
No different than the Disney Corporation having security scan people for arms and barring entry onto their property.
As for why gun shows do it. It comes down to liability insurance for the event. Underwriters set those conditions for coverage and a property being rented 9 out of 10 times require liability insurance coverage before the space is rented for the gun show.
Now, entering with a concealed firearm can result in your being asked to leave if you are discovered. If you refuse, you can be charged with armed trespassing, which is a third-degree felony.
Posted place laws
br549arkie
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Well I guess he got a bang out of that.I just read about another valedictorian. This buffoon kept a gun in their oven, forgot about it, then turned it on to cook.
Oven ‘exploded’ after homeowner accidentally cooked loaded gun, Virginia firefighters say — Miami Herald
Firefighters in Virginia told the public not to store guns in the oven after one overheated, causing multiple bullets to explode at a home.apple.news
Going to be tough to beat these folks.
Stay safe.
Miami_JBT
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No law was violated. Only thing the guy could be arrested for is armed trespassing if he refused to leave, if he was asked to leave in the first place. Or aggravated assault, but good luck actually charging the person with that since the gun was wasn't used in a threatening manner. The person was simply careless.
Bad Hombre
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I will grant you that a metal detector / bag search would keep me from carrying there or Disney.
However I still stand by my statement - stop disarming yourself for gun shows.
A gun IS a tool. One that's dangerous if not handled properly. I'm gonna have a **** fit the next time somebody tells me guns aren't dangerous.
Go ahead and have one.
Firearms are no more dangerous than cars, steak knives, hatchets, axes, hammers . . . . or radial arms saws.
They all take a human picking them up, loading them up, starting them up, and using them stupidly.
Key word: "human" in every single case
and it's humans in that every case that need to be disciplined & held accountable -- both before and after.
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Double_J
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Disorderly Conduct / Disturbing the Peace charges are usually used for a case like this as the statutes are very loosely written so as to be a "catch-all" when nothing else fits. Plus there may have been other local ordinances that could apply.
BJung
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At best we can be the older brother, cousin, uncle.. to point out the Right.
BJung
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No one was hurt. The best solution is to explain and educate. This is the advice from a great Stoic and Ceasar, Marcus Aurelius
BJung
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To sum up, watch the old movie, Shane. "a gun is only a tool like a shovel, how it is used depends on the man behind it"
BJung
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That is good to a point. In Kampuchea, the parents were led out of the cities into the fields. Their children were told to line up and walk up the stairs. This included the glass wearing, obedient students that listened to elders. They obediently followed in line up the stairs to the top of the roof. Hands tied and thrown off head first. If they survived, their heads were beaten in. Actions by Communists that disarmed their opposition.
Miami_JBT
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Not really applicable in this situation. Even that would be a hard stretch.
Miami_JBT
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Look, I get it. I'm just stating facts.
I have a T-shirt that reads I'm a grumpy old man the level of my sarcasm depends on the level of your stupidity,
Bad Hombre
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Only if the cop is really stupid. He can't make this stick and will probably open things up for a substantial lawsuit.
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