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Some pics of my Ruger SR1911

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by Nakanokalronin, May 10, 2011.

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  1. Nakanokalronin

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    Some side shots and pics of the internals. MIM parts include: The entire FCG, grip safey, slide stop,MSH and thumb safety. It seems they used either tool steel or barstock for the firing pin stop and mag catch. All in all it seems like a very well put together 1911. Taking it down to bare bones was a breeze and is all 1911 inside and out. The titanium firing pin is also recess cut to make it even lighter. The grip emblems have a post that goes all the way to the back of the panels so no worries about them falling off. Thought I'd include a sneak shot of my shoes to show a human being took the pics. icon_smile_wink.gif

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    I have a solid aluminum trigger that's been waiting for this to arrive. I'm changing it only because I like a solid trigger or a the 3 hole type. Other than that one change, its staying stock. Just need to clean off the factory oil, relube and get to the range. Not sure when the range trip will be but I'll post a new thread with the report.

    Here it is with the solid trigger...ahhh better. :cool:

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  2. 918v

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    Why would Ruger buy MIM equipment when it is perfectly capable of casting small parts as it does for the other semi-auto models?
     
  3. MCMXI

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    I would think that the grip safety and MSH are cast rather than MIM. Also, I would expect the hammer, hammer strut, disconnector and sear to be MIM too given the price of the Ruger. Are you saying that the mag release isn't MIM? I would expect it to be MIM. It would be useful to see some closeup images of those parts to see if there are any parting lines, gate or sprue marks.
     
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    Large parts such as the frame, grip safety and MSH work well when cast, but small parts don't work so well. MIM is a better choice for small, intricate parts where strength and hardness are important, particularly when trying to reduce cost. It's often difficult to find out exactly which parts are MIM and which are not. Some parts are obviously MIM but others may have additional finishing making them harder to identify.

    I'd like to see some definitive information as to which parts are MIM and which are not.
     
  5. Nakanokalronin

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    The MSH may be cast or MIM. There is defiantly a mark where metal is injected buts its too obscure to see. When I said "FCG" I meant disconnector, sear and hammer. All the parts have the clear as day distinct circle marks of MIM. The gun is back together for a range trip but I'll tear it down and take some pics incase others doubt. Its really not surprising considering the price Ruger is charging for it.
     
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    Sorry, I can't get any better pics than that but the MIM circles are distinct enough on the parts. The mag catch looks exactly like the firing pin stop with no marks and the easy to make out grain in the metal which is why I know they are either both tool steel or barstock. I own eleven 1911s. Some with a few MIM parts, some with many MIM parts and some with zero MIM parts so I know what to look for.
     
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    Nakanokalronin, based on your photos, don't you think it looks like the thumb safety, slide stop, hammer, grip safety and MSH are all cast? You're right, the mag release doesn't look like a MIM part.
     
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    No, because the cast parts would and do have a rough texture either at the casting point or on a hidden side like something towards the frame. When the gun is apart its very apartment that the frame is cast. This is why the MSH may be cast because of the obscure circle while the other parts have a more crisp injection circle mark on them just like Kimbers and other 1911s that use MIM through out.

    I'm really not concerned with the casting or MIM in the SR1911 since Ruger has been doing casting for a long time and have been making parts for other 1911 manufactures for years.
     
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    Looks good.
     
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    But Ruger, to date, cast all their small parts for their other semi-auto models. The Ruger 22 uses cast small parts, the P85, 89, 90, 94, SR9 ets all use cast small parts. There is no reason to go MIM for the 1911.

    Injection circles don't mean the part is MIM, necessarily.
     
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    MIM parts get a bad rap and can be very good these days. Casting small parts can also be more expensive with higher rates of voids in these small parts. Ruger probably cast these parts in the past because of the quality difference. Now there is little if any quality difference so they use MIM parts in the new gun. I imagine they'll continue to use cast parts in some other guns since they already have the tooling.
     
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    Maybe you should read-up on casting processes.
     
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    I don't know why 1911 folks always get so caught up in materials. Either it works well, it works poorly, or it doesn't work.

    If it works well, and you KNOW Ruger's going to stand behind their product, why is there all this concern over whether it is cast, forged, or MIM?
     
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    Maybe for the same reason some people prefer a Lexus over a Hyundai ... :p

    To the OP thanks for the pics. The jury is still out on this one. I believe it will be a good seller and decent shooter. I however cannot tell from the pics if Ruger went cast or MIM on the small parts. It would not surprise me if they outsourced the small parts if they are MIM. It would make a lot more sense than buying the MIM equipment.
     
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    Unless they intend to get into the MIM business as well.
     
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    rellascout: I was not aware that Hyundai would fix a car at no charge, years later if there are issues...

    Great analogy, it is exactly the same thing, and I just didn't realize it! Cars are just like guns, they're no more complex or expensive. Silly me.
     
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    I think you're taking rellascout's analogy a little too far there Smaug. I think he simply meant that some people are willing to pay more for higher quality (or at least perception of higher quality).
    The analogy doesn't have to match perfectly in every single way to be valid.

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    I'm editing to add that I have nothing against MIM parts. If I decide to take that 1911 plunge that I've been putting off, the SR1911 is going to be the one for me. Kudos to the OP on an awesome gun.
     
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    Say what you will regarding MIM vs everything else, you've got a beautiful gun there OP, and I wish you luck with it! I'm certainly looking forward to picking one up.
     
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    what the heck is MIM?
     
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    I like the trigger change I'm ordering a medium length C & S solid match trigger for mine. You'll love taking it to the range, mine shoots as good as it looks. Don't forget to take advantage of the 20% off deal you get from the Ruger store on magazines and spare parts when you register it.
     
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    So are people having their MIM parts actually fail on them, or they are just bitter because manufacturers are reducing manufacturing costs? (and passing the savings onto us)
     
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    Don't be obtuse. The anaology is spot on. A new Hyundai Sonata will come will all the bells and whistles which used to only come on luxury brands like Lexus. They have leather, nav, power everythind etc... they even do well on initial quality surveys.

    The issue is that they are not built out of the same quality materials. Look at the same Sonata 3 years later and the quality surveys are not as good. They really fall behind at 5 years. As a result the Hyundai loses a ton of value after year 3. They are simply not yet built to last. They are built to approximate a luxury car at a avg car price. Does that sound familar... if not you should read it again.

    The Lexus on the other hand holds its value. The quality of the craftsmanship really starts to shine after year 3. A Lexus with 100,000 on the clock is worth more than the Hyundai with 50,000.

    Now that does not mean the Hyundai is a POS. It does not mean it does not serve its purpose. It does not mean it does not have market appeal. It simply means it is WHAT IT IS.

    The exact same thing can be said about most Ruger guns. Do you want a GP100 or a Python? You asked a question and I answered it. YMMV
     
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