Some Stupid 1911 Questions

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Just so I can get my questions in one place:

I don't have a 1911 but have been lusting after one. I have a few questions before I go looking. These are probably lame questions but I don't know so please indulge me.

1.) What is the difference between a 1911 and a Colt 1991?

2.) What does the A1 designation after 1911 and 1991 mean?

3.) What is the difference between a Colt 70 series and the 80 series and what do they make now?

4.) What is the difference between a Kimber Series I and a Series II

Thanks

Russ
 
they arent stupid questions!

i can offer limited answers on #3 and #4:
both have to do with what some call 'redundant' safeties built into the firearm.
a series 70 is similar to series I, and 80 is similar to II.

i have a kimber tle ii, and what some have suggested is to see if the gun will not go into battery if it is held upside down. i tried it, and if i slowly let the slide down while held upside down, it SOMETIMES wont go into battery. but its fixed by pressing the back of the slide or simply shaking the pistol to get the notch on the frame to move. not to mention that if i ever do have to use my weapon from an upside down position, i'll be in over my head for sure.

good luck finding the right 1911 for you. and welcome to the 1911-lovers club.
 
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Howdy Russ,

The difference between the 1911 and the 1991 is that 1911 is a fairly generic description of the Colt-Browning pistol that was adopted by the
U.S. Army in 1911. Technically, a 1911 is pre-1911-A1 design.
1991 came along with the reissue of the WW2 contract serial numbers
that was supposed to be a continuation of the last of the pixtols that Colt built for the governement, taking up where the last serial number left off.
It was a no-frills, entry level pistol that was affordable and most were very
good as to functional reliability as delivered. Many consider them to be ugly, but I say ugly is as ugly does. The NRM Government Model is the
same gun in a prettier package. The 1991 Series pistols were avaliable
in Full-size(GM), Commander, and Officer's Models.

The A1 designation was the result of modifications to the original 1911
to make it more user-friendly. Scalloped areas behind the trigger guard so that people with small hands/short fingers could reach the trigger easier.
A shorter trigger...slightly larger sights...A longer grip safety tang to
help prevent hammer bite, and slightly looser tolerances so that unskilled
labor could assemble functional pistols in a hurry, and for drop-in parts
replacement. Many people recognize this era as the birth of the so-called
Drop-in part. Production pistols are still built the same way, excluding the
higher-end factory offerings and semi-custom pistols.

Colt Series 70 pistols had a collet bushing that was supposed to be an
aid to accuracy in an otherwise ordnance-spec pistol. When it worked
it did a pretty good job. The problems came from incorrect fitting that
sometimes caused the fingers on the collet to snap off, tying up the gun.
GI pistols and 1911s built before the Series 70 introduction are now called
Series 70 pistols, but they're correctly referred to as pre-Series 70s.

Series 80 Colts incorporated a passive firing pin block that prevented the gun from firing unless the trigger was pulled. This was done to make the
pistol drop-safe. Pre-Series 80 pistols...without the passive safety feature
could possibly discharge if dropped straight down on the muzzle onto a
hard surface...if they were dropped from a height of about 10 feet. It's
not a necessary addition as long as a the firing pin spring is changed
regularly...about every 4-5 thousand rounds. If both types are mechanically sound, they both require that the trigger be pulled in order to fire the pistol. IMO, neither has an advantage over the other on the safety issue, provided that they are both well-maintained. Neglect gives the edge to the Series 80s. Most die-hard 1911 buffs would rather have their pistols
without.

Series 2 Kimbers have a passive firing pin safety of a different design than
the Colt. There are no Series 1 Kimbers Pre-Series 2 Kimbers are of the
original design, like pre Series 70 and Series 70 Colts...as are the Springfields. Springfield has recently incorporated an ILS system that allows the owner to manually disable the pistol with a key, but the firing
system design is pure 1911.

There are no Series 70 Commanders. They are either Series 80 or pre-70 design.

Hope this helps...

Tuner
 
Hi guys, The only thing I will add to old buddy 1911Tuner's most excellent description is that the original Series 70 Colts in addition to the collet bushing have a slightly larger outside diameter on the forward third of the bbl that is relieved towards the rear so that the collet can let go of the bbl as it recoils. You can feel the slight bulge by running your fingers along the Series 70 bbl. HTH
 
Thanks Spaceman, Tuner and BigG. I greatly appreciate the answers. I guess I just have to decide how much $$ I want to drop and go for it. At my local gun shop, they are big Kimber fans. They have Colts and Springfields as well. With the info you provided, I can go in and not come off like a total dufus when I look at them.

Again, thanks.

Russ
 
One more addition

Agree that 1911Tuner gave an excellent description.

One addition to the "A1" momdifications:
The A1 also introduced the arched mainspring housing. From the trenches of WWI, a common complaint returned that the pistols shot low when point-shooting in close combat. The flat mainispring housing was replaced with the arched design to raise the muzzle slightly.
 
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