Discussion in 'Shotguns' started by Grunt, Aug 24, 2008.
What would it cost if Chevy started making a new 57 Belair? Nobody except the rich could buy one.
3" Mag. Model 12, with interchangeable chokes. And while we're dreaming, lets bring back $5 a box "Lead" shot for waterfowl also.
I like most pumps and the Model 12 is one of the best.
So is Remington's Model 31,the Ithaca 37, Winchester's 97, and so on.
Still, I'll stick with the 870. Even if my good friend Doug H says an 870 shucks like " A Model 12 full of sand".
I can live with the shuck.....
1922 Winchester Model 12
1926 Winchester Model 12
1950's-vintage Ithaca Model 37
1958 Remington 870 Wingmaster
2005 Remington 870 Express
2004 Remington 870
2002 (?) Winchester 1300
In terms of smoothness of operation and overall handling (a combination of balance and handling), I would rank the Model 12s at the top, followed very closely by the Model 37. The old Wingmaster is pretty darned good, though.
The recent 870s are a far cry from the older guns. It's not to say that they don't work; however, they aren't anywhere near as smooth, nor as well-made. Even taking into consideration how much they've been used, I don't think it's close.
Now, I'm using these guns primarily for upland and waterfowl hunting. They have not been, nor are likely to be, abused.
This debate can go in any direction, depending upon the specific needs of the end user. For me, though... if I'm looking for a pump-gun, I'm more likely to get one off the used rack.
BTW, if I were to get another one brand-new, I'd probably lean towards the BPS. YMMV.
Good pumps are incredibly durable. I've yet to see a name pump of any brand worn out from shooting. Some old trap guns are needing a few parts and attention, but that's with 6 figure round counts.
Re recent 870s vs the classics. The smoothest 870 here was made in 73. Next smoothest, 1950. Next smoothest, 72. Then, 1955. Least smoothest, in the 90s.
This parallels the use. Work polishing.
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