Sometimes we just don't have good reasons

[LoonWulf]

I also couldn’t handle how LoonWulf told me he cooks pinto beans. He said when he cooks a mess, he gets a pineapple from his yard, slices it, throws it in the pot and cooks it with the beans. That way he can make Hawaiian music.

Im officialy going to use that on the next mainlander that asks if all we eat are pineapples! If you put it on a pizza it would be from California.....
Could explain my prejudice agains the .32 special.....

 

[cdb1]

Pineapple on pizza gags me.

 

[LoonWulf]

Wait till u hit the pinto beans....

 

[cdb1]

I just hope no one actually does it then gets offended.

 

[Newtosavage]

I lived eight miles out of Boerne in the 90’s. There were so many deer around there it would blow your mind. Some mornings when I left for work there would be 20-25 of them in my yard. When going to Austin and points further north we would take back roads from Hwy 281 to get home. One night my wife and I counted over 150 deer between Sisterdale and Boerne, a distance of about 13 miles. Tons of deer and all were teeny weeny, I bet the live weight of the bigger bucks was well under 100 pounds.

Instead of “The Lone Star State” maybe Texas should be called “ The Flinch State”. You see a lot of people with .300 WinMags and a lot of people with a flinch in Texas.

I have a good friend who will go to his grave saying his .300 Win Mag damages less meat on 100 lb. deer than a .308 or .243. Sometimes, if you want to stay friends with someone, you just gotta let them have their own "facts."

 

[Charliefrank]

All these years I've been making fun of your little southern deer, I never realized we could have been making fun of your grey squirrels too. We use 30-30's for our squirrels.

Yeah, when I lived in the mountains of Vermont, 8 made a good size stew. Now it's 16. More if you don't head shoot them,lol

 

[Corn-Picker]

I have a good friend who will go to his grave saying his .300 Win Mag damages less meat on 100 lb. deer than a .308 or .243. Sometimes, if you want to stay friends with someone, you just gotta let them have their own "facts."

People say there’s no such thing as too much gun or too dead, but I disagree. When you manage to bust the guts even though your shot was well-forward of the diaphragm you have too much gun. For our WV deer, the 300 Win Mag is borderline too much at close range.

 

[Newtosavage]

Hey, I know some folks don't like tracking. I get that. Who doesn't like a bang-flop result with a firearm? I'd take it with my bow! ha, ha. But I'll be the first to admit that one of my goals - after a clean kill - is to preserve as much meat as possible. For that reason I never aim at the shoulder - always behind it - and even avoid quartering shots unless it's the only one I have. For years I've used my .50 cal muzzleloader for culling does because it tends to make two nice clean holes and hardly does any damage to the meat at all.

 

[someguy2800]

Hey, I know some folks don't like tracking. I get that. Who doesn't like a bang-flop result with a firearm? I'd take it with my bow! ha, ha. But I'll be the first to admit that one of my goals - after a clean kill - is to preserve as much meat as possible. For that reason I never aim at the shoulder - always behind it - and even avoid quartering shots unless it's the only one I have. For years I've used my .50 cal muzzleloader for culling does because it tends to make two nice clean holes and hardly does any damage to the meat at all.

Same here, I don't shoot shoulders because of the amount of meat it wastes. With a double lung shot you waste about a hamburger worth of rib meat and if you get it exactly right you even save the heart. The biggest thing I have seen with larger vs smaller calibers is you get a better blood trail the larger you go in caliber, so I favor large caliber since where I hunt the ranges are short and the brush is thick so it can be a real challenge to track deer. They just disappear in the 5 ft slough grass.

 

[Newtosavage]

Same here, I don't shoot shoulders because of the amount of meat it wastes. With a double lung shot you waste about a hamburger worth of rib meat and if you get it exactly right you even save the heart. The biggest thing I have seen with larger vs smaller calibers is you get a better blood trail the larger you go in caliber, so I favor large caliber since where I hunt the ranges are short and the brush is thick so it can be a real challenge to track deer. They just disappear in the 5 ft slough grass.

Easily some of the best blood trails I've gotten (and none have been more than 50 yards) have been with my 7mm-08. Even my .50 Cal doesn't tend to produce as good of a blood trail and I'm not really sure why that is. I'd say of all the deer I've shot with a rifle that didn't drop on the spot, the best and quickest blood trails have been with 120-grain Sierra Pro Hunters out of my 7mm-08. Always two holes (even on one where I put it through the far shoulder blade) and always a lot of blood to follow.

 

[morcey2]

Was discussing my affinity for the 7x57 and 7mm-08 as a hunting calibers with a friend the other night and another good friend of mine chimed in the conversation to say he hated the 7mm-08. His reason? He said he saw "too many" deer wounded with one several years ago. So I started asking him the details and it turns out that he took a neck shot on a doe at 50 yards that resulted in an 18-hour tracking job. Said that several others at that same hunt also wounded and lost deer using the 7mm-08.

But (get this) he goes on to tell us that he's a die-hard .243 fan for deer and also likes the .308.

I was like, so you are a fan of the caliber on either side of the 7mm-08, but the 7mm-08 is only good for wounding deer? I told him that shot placement is a lot more important than caliber, especially on a doe at 50 yards, but wasn't hearing any of it.

At that point he started to get a bit upset so I just let it go.

Anyone else run into folks that just don't have good reasons for not liking a certain caliber?

I've heard the same thing about 7mm-08 from several different people but it always turned out to be a shot placement or wrong bullet issue. If you hit a 300 lb mulie with a 110 gr speer TNT designed for coyotes, you're going to likely be tracking for a long time.

A friend of mine swore that his 22-250 was the perfect deer and elk round, even though he owned an extremely accurate 270. He shot one deer with the 270 that he had to track for most of a day and that was enough for him. It didn't matter that he gut-shot it; it was all the evidence he needed that the 270 was an inferior round. He also shot several deer with his 22-250 and only had to track them for a couple of hours instead of all day. He then started trying for head shots after that on the claim that if the deer didn't drop immediately, then it was a clean miss and didn't need to be tracked. After one such "clean miss", his brother refused to hunt with him anymore because he watched the bullet blow most of the lower jaw off the target. Thankfully he never had a chance to try the 22-250 on elk because the members of the group he was hunting with refused to let him hunt with him unless he used something else. He used a borrowed 300 WM but never shot it.

5)Some Mosin Nagant rifles were made by Remington and Westinghouse.

The French made a bunch too. (Chatellerault) I'm just not sure if that's a pro or a con at this point. ("Rifle for sale. Never fired. Only dropped once. Perfect condition.")

Pineapple on pizza gags me.

Heathen....

Matt

 

[Hokkmike]

Was discussing my affinity for the 7x57 and 7mm-08 as a hunting calibers with a friend the other night and another good friend of mine chimed in the conversation to say he hated the 7mm-08. His reason? He said he saw "too many" deer wounded with one several years ago. So I started asking him the details and it turns out that he took a neck shot on a doe at 50 yards that resulted in an 18-hour tracking job. Said that several others at that same hunt also wounded and lost deer using the 7mm-08.

But (get this) he goes on to tell us that he's a die-hard .243 fan for deer and also likes the .308.

I was like, so you are a fan of the caliber on either side of the 7mm-08, but the 7mm-08 is only good for wounding deer? I told him that shot placement is a lot more important than caliber, especially on a doe at 50 yards, but wasn't hearing any of it.

At that point he started to get a bit upset so I just let it go.

Anyone else run into folks that just don't have good reasons for not liking a certain caliber?

My love affair is with the 6.5x55 but the 7mm .08 keeps sneaking up to my bedroom door at night.

 

[Newtosavage]

My love affair is with the 6.5x55 but the 7mm .08 keeps sneaking up to my bedroom door at night.

We have similar tastes in calibers. I will proudly own a 6.5x55 Tikka as my primary deer rifle and have even thought of squeezing one in my short Action Savage (with it's 3.00" magazine).

 

[cdb1]

I’d rather have a 7x57 than a 7mm-08 in a bolt gun simply because of the history and cool factor of the 7x57. LA vs SA means nothing to me, I could care less. I’d like an AR in 7mm-08 and would seriously like a Henry Long Ranger in 7mm-08 with a 22” barrel.

 

[Steve S.]

There are a myriad of rifle and handgun cartridges that will cleanly and quickly dispatch a deer. If you shoot a deer and it doesn’t die quickly, it means that the bullet did not hit something that would kill the deer quickly. Deer are not tanks, most are not very smart (just big squirrels) and have organs and hydraulics that they absolutely need to live. It is not rocket science - if the deer doesn’t die quickly, the shooter missed the critically needed stuff that the deer requires to live longer - there is no magic. Ps, I like the .308 but it simply doesn’t matter what I like, what matters is what you like. Good shooting.

 

[herrwalther]

Not so much hate, but I like common calibers over something obscure. I keep track of what the local big box stores keep in stock. So I can buy what I need in a pinch without having to handload or order ammo online.

 

[redneck2]

The .270 Winchester. I realize it’s been a very popular for a long time. Kind of like the Toyota Camry of cartridges. I understand why folks like it, but not for me

First centerfire I fired in my early teens was my uncles .270. Used it for groundhogs. Very light, kicked like a mule at least to me. I guess that’s the reason they really don’t hold any fascination for me.

But in the end, if I were gonna go deer hunting, it really wouldnt matter if it were any modern cartridge from 25-06 thru 30-06 including the middle magnums. I suspect the deer has no particular preference on what it gets whacked with. And a 150 grain bullet @2,600 FPS is pretty much equivalent no matter the shape of the case it was launched from

 

[GAF]

May I suggest that your friend and the others just picked the wrong spot on the deer as an aim point.

 

[cdb1]

First centerfire I fired in my early teens was my uncles .270. Used it for groundhogs. Very light, kicked like a mule at least to me. I guess that’s the reason they really don’t hold any fascination for me.

But in the end, if I were gonna go deer hunting, it really wouldnt matter if it were any modern cartridge from 25-06 thru 30-06 including the middle magnums. I suspect the deer has no particular preference on what it gets whacked with. And a 150 grain bullet @2,600 FPS is pretty much equivalent no matter the shape of the case it was launched from

I’ve always found this article interesting because it concludes there is no difference in effectiveness at killing deer within the caliber range of .243 to .30 caliber. It was conducted by the South Carolina Department of Natural Resources.

http://www.dnr.sc.gov/wildlife/deer/articlegad.html

 

[hillman23]

Without intent to ruffle feathers or overtly raise ire, (although I type this with a smirk ) I confess to being a snot-knocked lover of the 338 win mag. It's answered well every questionable scenario I've yet faced in the field. The added bonus I've discovered is that with the snot knocked out of me, I'm suddenly breathing much more freely! Quite honestly, there are few quality rifles that I'd pass on based on the chambering and there aren't any "undesirable" rifles I purchase based on them being chambered in a round I like. All cartridges work if one understands a few simple premises and operates under those parameters.

 

[Picher]

I don’t hate any cartridges, but there are some I have no interest in.

Those that usually come in steel cases packed in giant sardine cans

And

The .270 Winchester. I realize it’s been a very popular for a long time. Kind of like the Toyota Camry of cartridges. I understand why folks like it, but not for me

I like the .270 Win. It's my favorite deer cartridge, especially for longer shots. I got it because it's flexible, shooting light target handloads with 90 grain Sierras, 130 grain deer rounds that lays them down quickly, and a 140 grain Nosler Accubond that terminated an 860lb bull moose at 270 yards, dead within 15 yards of where it was hit.

The round also holds velocity and trajectory better than the '06, and with less recoil. What's not to love? Oh yeah, it's also won some turkey shoots and running deer matches for me.

BTW: We also own a two-year old Toyota Camry and it's the best car we've ever owned.

 

[morcey2]

I’d rather have a 7x57 than a 7mm-08 in a bolt gun simply because of the history and cool factor of the 7x57. LA vs SA means nothing to me, I could care less. I’d like an AR in 7mm-08 and would seriously like a Henry Long Ranger in 7mm-08 with a 22” barrel.

I've got two 7x57 rifles, both sporterized surplus. 1 is a Mexican small-ring 98 with a 24" barrel. The other is a Dominican Republic carbine with a 20" barrel. The DR rifle is the most accurate non-AR rifle I have even though I bought it as a donor. I then made the mistake of shooting it. I threw a cheap Centerpoint 4-16x50 scope on it, got it sighted in and it was shooting 1.5" 5-shot groups with cheap PPU 139 grain rounds. Handloads do better. With 120 gr NBTs, I shot a 1.5" 25-round group. I do wish it had another 4" on the barrel though. The Mexican rifle isn't quite that accurate but it's good enough for deer out to about 300 yards.

If I didn't have those, I'd probably have a 7mm-08. I am going to be building their big brother, a 280 Rem AI on a Savage 110 action hopefully before the end of the year.

I really like the 57mm case rounds. I've got a 257 Roberts, the aforementioned 7x57, a slew of 8x57 in both military and sporter dress, and I'm also having a 6mm Rem built on a 1909 Argentine action. I thought about a 5.6x57 RWS, but that seems waaaaay too overbore for me. I'd like to have the throat last longer than 50 rounds. I'm torn as to whether to build a 6.5x55 Swede or a 6.5x57 (or 6.5x257 rob) just to continue the 57mm theme. And a 9.3x57 simply to complete things even thought it would be almost useless where I live.

Matt

 

[Charliefrank]

I've got two 7x57 rifles, both sporterized surplus. 1 is a Mexican small-ring 98 with a 24" barrel. The other is a Dominican Republic carbine with a 20" barrel. The DR rifle is the most accurate non-AR rifle I have even though I bought it as a donor. I then made the mistake of shooting it. I threw a cheap Centerpoint 4-16x50 scope on it, got it sighted in and it was shooting 1.5" 5-shot groups with cheap PPU 139 grain rounds. Handloads do better. With 120 gr NBTs, I shot a 1.5" 25-round group. I do wish it had another 4" on the barrel though. The Mexican rifle isn't quite that accurate but it's good enough for deer out to about 300 yards.

If I didn't have those, I'd probably have a 7mm-08. I am going to be building their big brother, a 280 Rem AI on a Savage 110 action hopefully before the end of the year.

I really like the 57mm case rounds. I've got a 257 Roberts, the aforementioned 7x57, a slew of 8x57 in both military and sporter dress, and I'm also having a 6mm Rem built on a 1909 Argentine action. I thought about a 5.6x57 RWS, but that seems waaaaay too overbore for me. I'd like to have the throat last longer than 50 rounds. I'm torn as to whether to build a 6.5x55 Swede or a 6.5x57 (or 6.5x257 rob) just to continue the 57mm theme. And a 9.3x57 simply to complete things even thought it would be almost useless where I live.

Matt

I have much love for the 257 Roberts and the 6mm Remington. I've shot both of them quite a bit.

 

[mokin]

I can't think of a cartridge I don't like. On the other hand, I've run into a lot of fanboys who have made it really hard sometimes.

 

[someguy2800]

I have to admit I am a fanboy of several cartridges mostly for nostalgic reasons, and I dislike several cartridges, but I try to keep the silliness to myself as its all irrational bias. At the end of the day they are all just slight variations on the same thing, just shorter or longer, fatter or narrower and shooting about a dozen different caliber bullets.