Soon to be obsolete rounds?

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  1. kje54

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    Yes or no? What are your thoughts on this?

     
  2. JeffG

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    Somebody can make all the predictions they want. We are still shooting the 45/70, the 7mm Mauser, and the 45 Colt. Newer isn't better, in my opinion.
     
  3. Hartkopf

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    If internet sales of ammo are prohibited, I agree with most of the video.
     
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    They still make those?
     
  5. 230RN
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    ALL companies rely heavily on New Products, and this is true of ammo manufacturers. They are thus motivated to fill any teeny-tiny "gaps" in performance or convenience. I learned this lesson with the .22 Jet.

    The what?

    Yes, exactly. One of the major problems was the long tapered case would tend to back out of the chamber and jam against the revolver's recoil plate locking up your gun so you couldn't even open it to clear the jam without vigorous attention to the right side of the cylinder by your fist.

    Then there was the .221 Remington Fireball.

    The what?

    Yes, exactly. That was the cartridge for this new product:

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    Which itself was another answer to a question nobody asked. Notice that you had to reach over the gun with your left hand to operate the action. Mucho awkwardo.

    So I'm leery of any new cartridge which fulfills the foolish buyer's need for the latest and greatest ooo, ooo, gotta have it craving.

    The .25 ACP I disagree with. It's cute and allows one to say "yo tengo una pistola" if necessary. I kept one ready-to-hand in my couch cushions for a while, even though I had another "real" gun nearby for seriousness. I farmed it out to one of my sons as part of a culling of my whole collection. But I think I still have reloading dies for .25 ACP which I never used.

    The rest? Your opinion is as valid as mine or his.

    As the saying goes, "That's what makes horse races."

    Terry, 230RN
     
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    The analysis in that video is pretty shallow and definitely has some "interesting" assessments. His thoughts on the .25 demonstrate zero cognitive historical processing.

    In addition, does obsolete mean low or zero quantity production in "new" firearms?
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    Does obsolete mean being dropped by ammo manufacturers?

    The only ones on that list that might be heading towards both are the .45 GAP and .32 H&R. They don't have millions of existing serviceable guns in circulation to drive ammo demand.
     
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  7. MAKster

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    While a certain cartridge may not be readily available in every local gun shop, no round truly disappears. You can still buy rounds like 44-40 even though a new firearm hadn't been designed in that cartridge since the 1890s.
     
  8. BLACKHAWKNJ

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    "Obsolete" is a rather overused word. I doubt if we'll see any of the rimfires larger than 22RF revived, CAS/SASS revived calibers like 32-20, 38-40, 44-40. No great demand for 7.65 French longue of course or 401 Winchester but it often seems if the major manufacturers drop a round some small "boutique" maker will pick it up or import it.
     
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    Bogus, like most lists like that. It's usually people with a narrow frame of reference, who think degrees of "obsolescence" should be judged by the shelves at Walmart. As far as I'm concerned, it ain't obsolete until you can't buy brass for it.
     
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    Apparently he's never heard of the .357 Maximum.
     
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    I hesitate in agreeing those round will be obsolete anytime soon. While 9mm is dominating the current and likely the future pistol market there are still plenty of other caliber pistols and revolvers in service now and that is a market to be served.
     
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    I pretty much agree, though I'd give a second lease on life to the .40 S&W and .41 Magnum.
     
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  13. John Joseph

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    No round is obsolete if you have the dies to handload:thumbup:
     
  14. herrwalther

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    Only one I agree with in the list is 45GAP. Making a round that only your company makes guns for is a fast way to have a dead round. If Georg Luger never let anyone other than Walther make handguns chambered in 9x19, I have no doubt it would be a dead or very unpopular cartridge today. But it is one of, if not the most, common round in the world. And I cannot think of a global handgun company that doesn't make something in 9mm.

    The rest of the list and more rounds have been on the "soon to die" cartridges by various yahoos for years. I can still find 40S&W. I can still find 45ACP. I can still find 10mm, 32 ACP, 25ACP, 41 Magnum etc.
     
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    Two of those calibers, the .25 ACP and the .32 ACP, are two of the guns I inherited. The .32 is about 110 y.o. now and has a worn out barrel. I have not replaced it as I want to keep this gun all original. It still functions beautifully but loses accuracy after about 10-15 yds.
    The .25 was "NiB" when I inherited it but it didn't stay that way for long. Even with the short 1.25" barrel of the Colt Junior, this gun was more accurate than the .32. Its main advantage is quiet, "contact range" use.
     
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  16. jmr40

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    Obsolete isn't the same as extinct.

    The 40 S&W, 41 mag, and 25 ACP are the only ones in that video that aren't already obsolete. And they are trending downward and will be obsolete soon. That doesn't mean there won't still be some who use them.

    The only reason those are with us is nostalgia. If it weren't for the extreme popularity of Western movies in this country 45 Colt would have become obsolete, maybe extinct, long ago.

    The 45-70 was as close to being extinct as possible for about 100 years. From about 1890-1990 it was all but dead. Modern loads, nostalgia, and creative advertising revived it. I'd bet it has seen more use, and killed more game in the 21st century than the 19th and 20th combined.

    Modern loads and bulets for it are so far removed from the original loads, (and they can't be used in original rifles), that I'm not sure it doesn't qualify as a modern cartridge.

    The 7X57 is a round that has always intrigued me. It was one of the 1st modern smokeless cartridges and it comes about as close to perfection as possible. This is one of those where they came pretty close to getting it right on the 1st try. But even it is close to being obsolete. The much newer 7-08 duplicates performance in a shorter cartridge and is usually a bit more accurate. While a great round, I can't think of a practical reason to choose it over 7-08.
     
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    Not sure how he defines "obsolete". In this instance to me it means no longer in common use.
     
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    There is a group in the trainer world who think the 32 HR Mag is a prime snubby load. They treasure their SW 432s and the LCR in 327mag are popular but loaded with 32 HR mag as the 327 is a beast in small guns. The round is seen as effective and you get 6 shots in a snubby as compared to 5.

    A redo of the 432s in 327 might aid in popularity.
     
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    Clickbait, good for getting "original views" on a person's channel.

    About the only no-longer-available rounds out there are the pinfires and large-bore rimfires.

    Most every other handgun round ever made generally still is--maybe very expensively, but made.

    Now, finding 8mm nambu or 7 french long is not easy. And some of the 10 & 11 mm european revolver rounds are going to require some serious horse-trading.

    Now, there are rounds where most of us might go "What were they thinking?" 45gap 41ae 50acp can get those sorts of questions. And in 50 years there will be a dude needs a box for his firearm.
     
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  20. 1eyeedshooter

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    Nothing is obsolete to a handloader !!!
     
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    I don’t know what the future holds for modern cartridges, I pick them worse than I do horse races and lottery numbers.

    It seems like every time one is introduced that I think will succeed it flops and every one I think is a re-re-rehash of several other cartridges… it takes off and sells a million rounds a year.

    Stay safe.
     
  22. BLACKHAWKNJ

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    I note that shooting has its trends, fashions-fads. Cartridges go in and out of fashion-40 S&W, e.g., enjoy revivals-38 Super, the CAS/SASS rounds, wildcat rounds become factory rounds-the 35 Whelen, e.g.
    One vanished loading I would like to see return is the 22LR wad cutter. Saw a small article about it in American Rifleman years ago, it was discontinued at the start of WWII, with 22 revolvers out of fashion probably little demand for it today.
     
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    If the Russian import bans keep up a lot of those rounds will go the the way of the dodo here in the US. That really applies to rifle rounds though.

    Holy cow that guy likes the sound of his own voice.
     
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  24. 230RN
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    Well, despite the dispute, I thought his delivery and organization was outstandingly good.

    I can't tell you how many marble-mouthed, rambling, fast-panning and unfocused videos I've clicked out of in the first minute of their wisdom-spouting.

    No offense to any marble-mouthed, rambling, fast-panning and unfocused videographers, of course.

    Terry, 230RN
     
  25. scaatylobo

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    Loud LOL to this pile of poo.

    All those rounds are still here and still shot AND carried by many.

    I still own & shoot them all [ but the .45 GAP,that was sold off ASAP ].

    I still pocket carry a .25 Beretta as a BUG and it will handily dump all 8 rounds in a VERY small group at knife confrontation range.

    I have no fear whatsoever of anyone taking ANY action after those 8 bees sting the head/face.

    And btw,I still own & shoot a H&R .32 wheel gun too.
     
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