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Sorry for the stupid question, but why fake suppressors?

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by waldonbuddy, Mar 10, 2010.

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  1. waldonbuddy

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    I was just looking at the latest gun magazine today, and noticed a weapon with the fake suppressor.

    This made me remember to post this question as I have pondered it for some time now.
     
  2. earlthegoat2

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    I dont know why but looks come to mind.

    Here is another question. Why the functional muzzle breaks/standoff devices on shotguns?
     
  3. mljdeckard

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    I mostly roll my eyes, but I also understand that there are cases where they are necessary to make a gun fit the overall length requirement.
     
  4. zorro45

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    Shotgun standoff has two purposes:
    1. for shooting frangible breeching rounds at doors, keeps the muzzle
    in place but does not allow tight enough contact to blow up the barrel
    2. the is also the universal multi-language translator for the phrase
    "DON'T GET UP"
     
  5. earlthegoat2

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    I know why they are there. I dont know why manufacturers are putting them there. I suspect for the same reasons fake suppressors exist though.
     
  6. Sam1911

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  7. waldonbuddy

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    I gotta agree with Sam on this one. If those fake cans even dropped the sound down 1 db then it could give the bat men an excuse to hassle you........However, Im not knocking the ones who like, and own them.
     
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    It's because they are just SOOO COOOl !! :scrutiny:
     
  9. MacTech

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    I imagine it's the same reason that certain drivers put useless cosmetic crap on their *economy* cars (spoiler wings, body kits and oversized exhaust tips) and don't make any actual *performance* modifications, I guess it's all about "looking cool"

    I'm cynical and antisocial, I couldn't care less what somebody thinks about my car/gun/whatever, I prefer mods that actually, you know, *INCREASE PERFORMANCE*

    In the automotive world, the term for attaching useless cosmetic affectations to a vehicle for looks only is known as "Rice" or "Ricing it out" (the term derived from old-school motorcyclists that used to deride cyclists that rode Asian-manufactured motorcycles)

    the current term, as I use it, and as other performance enthusiasts use it, has no racial connotations, it's designed to deride the "I'm the BEST DRIVER IN THE WORLD" attitude that these poseurs have just because they festooned their econoboxes with a bunch of stickers for performance products they don't own and for cosmetic abuses that serve only to increase weight and drag, and mess with the car's aerodynamics

    Nope, not interested in "Gun Rice", thank you...
     
  10. Maj.Striker

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    I see them a lot as well which is odd because I never see anyone selling them. Where do these people even get them for their rifles/handguns? Do they then have to thread the barrels to accept them? (If not already threaded) Seems like a lot of work for a fake look.
     
  11. 9teenEleven

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    I have not finished building it yet, but I am building a 9mm SBR AR with a suppressor. However, the barrel is shorter than the handguard. So, if I am running unsuppressed, I will be putting a fake can on, partly as a safety precaution, and partly so it doesn't look like someone chopped the end off my gun.
     
  12. rcmodel

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    You mean like the tank-gun muzzle break, or the car muffler size "No Country for Old Men" can on certain Mossbergs?

    Because Mall-Ninja's buy them like hotcakes, thats why!

    rc
     
  13. 1KPerDay

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    Same reason there are fake boobs.
     
  14. wyocarp

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    I'm not sure it's the same reason as that.

    Probably because most would like to have a real one but because of the laws we have it is more difficult and more costly to have the real ones.
     
  15. SharpsDressedMan

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    I have some regustered cans, but have one fake suppressor for when I want to put my pistol on display without running the risk of losing a Class III weapon.
     
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    Most fake suppressors drop the db by 1, especially as measured from the side.


    Why? The same reason a longer barrel drops the db by greater than 1. Additional length gives more space for powder to burn and pressure to drop before the sound wave is free to travel in all directions.


    So fake suppressors are actually real suppressors as defined by the ATF. Just poor performing ones. So it really is just up to whether the ATF decides to say that one is illegal at the moment or not.



    I covered this in December:

    Now consider what happens when a smaller bore barrel opens up into a wider bore chamber or "fake suppressor". The pressure drops considerably, yet the sound waves are still only directed forward.
    What does this mean?
    That if measured from the side you almost certainly will see some db reduction from any cylinder tube attached to the end of the barrel.
    In the above example if it works even 10% as effectively as the same length of barrel would it meets the legal definition per the ATF.
    Hence fake suppressors meet the ATF's legal definition of "silencer" (except when they say it doesn't.)

    So a fake silencer is a real silencer. Funny how that works.
     
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    Well for one, they can increase the length of the gun or barrel to make it legal. And, they change the way a long barrel looks. There's nothing ridiculous about it. It's just having different tastes as someone else.
     
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    Those muzzle breaks on shotguns really do work. A friend of mine bought one and I thought it was the dumbest thing until I shot it myself.
     
  19. Justin

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    If you're referring to the JP Recoil Eliminator, it's actually quite effective. A lot of Open Class 3Gun shooters run that particular model on their rifles, and it's evidently quite the thing to have.

    Video here. The bit with the guy shooting the M16 offhand is rather impressive.

    As for fake suppressors?

    Curb feeler mall ninja stuff.
     
  20. DFW1911

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    Tacticool :D
     
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    Those fake suppressors make the MySpace mall ninja photos look way cooler.

    tacticality.jpg

    Anyone who dresses up like that and then takes pictures of themselves deserves a beating for being so damn lame.
     
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    I think the look good on say GSG5's or P90's with the lame long barrels.

    Its the cheapest way to get a neat looking gun without going through the SBR crap.
     
  23. Zach S

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    Its more of a lesser evil thing for me.

    I took the fake can of my GSG5 because it looked so goofy, to me anyway, since I knew it was fake. Then I quickly realized it looks even goofier with that pencil bbl, so I put the less goofy fake can back on.
     
  24. Doggy Daddy

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    Would a fake can serve as a good starting point for building your own suppressor? After you pay the tax, of course.

    DD
     
  25. Dravur

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    Fake suppressors are very important and I shall cite several reasons...

    They can be used like a flash suppressor....

    They are useful in getting to 16" on a short barreled gun...

    They can bring out your inner Mall Ninja..


    BWAHAHAHAHA sorry, can't keep writing this with a straight face :)

    Actually, the one thing they MIGHT be good for is to start a build. You might actually be able to do that.

    I know that Justin has them on all his guns.
     
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