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  1. WKY

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    Looks like I will be moving to Chamberlain, South Dakota soon. Does anybody have any experience of the CCW/Firearm Culture in that area? Any place to do some shooting nearby?

    I've already did the Google search, just wanted to know if anybody had first hand experience/knowledge.

    Thanks for your help!
     
  2. longspurr

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    I have no first hand experience in South Dakota, but some general advice:

    I'm looking to relocate next year. I scouted a couple towns that seem attractive and asked about reloading supplies. Finding the store that sells reloading supplies is the key to what shooters are doing in the area. If they have the time to talk to you – over the phone in your case – that will be a very good starting place and probably have the best knowledge of the area.
     
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    That is a great idea. Thanks!
     
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    WKY;

    I was forcibly held by my parents in eastern SoDakia for several years. However, this was also several decades ago, in the '50's. In that area, the shotgun is king and birds are the name of the game. There are whitetail, but most "big game" hunting takes place west of the river (Missouri). I have no idea what the current pistol/carry culture is there. But, if you don't have a good shottie, be prepared to be looked at askance, regarded as a furriner, and possibly be a member of some subversive group like PETA. It's good that you're doing research, keep it up.

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    I've got some friends in SD and have hunted there some. I can't comment on the CCW...but as far as the "gun culture" goes...it's alive and well.

    I flew to SD the first time for the opening day of pheasant season. What I found when I got off the plane was a virtual carnival of hunting stuff. There were selling shotgun ammo IN THE AIRPORT.

    Cabela's is one of the largest attractions IN THE STATE.

    From what I've seen, that state is all about guns and hunting. If you live there and don't hunt or shoot...you're gonna get some questions and weird looks.
     
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    Can you say "Smallville"? The population is listed as 2,387.

    I rather doubt there is much of a need for conceal carry. Having driven across the entire state from east to west I can tell you that there is not much in the middle.

    Not in the Western part. Deadwood is about gambling, Black Hills area about Mt. Rushmore, Crazy Horse Memorial, Cave Wind National Park and tourist traps.
     
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  8. 460Shooter

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    No offense, but there is some bad information being thrown around here.

    Yes Chamberlain is small, and SD is dotted with many small towns with populations under 5000. That does not negate a reason to carry. There is a very low crime rate, and part of that is because of the low population. However, like any state, SD has an underclass, and drug problems, particularly meth, and burglaries and assaults do in fact happen.

    One aspect of living in a really small town is that in order to aquire all the things you need and/or want, like guns, ammo, reloading components, and all the other things in life that people living in a full service comunity have access to, you have to drive to the "city" on a regular basis. Mitchelle is not far away from Chamberlain, and there are a lot more people there, and a college, and more mischief as would be expected. If business takes you to Sioux Falls, or Rapid Cit, or Pierre, carrying concealed is a good idea. There are also the Rose Bud and Pine Ridge indian reservations, which have relatively high populations, and the typical crime that comes with a population center.

    There is also a lack of law enforcement, so people in SD tend to take their self defense fairly seriously, even though the chances of needing a gun are very low. There are also a lot of animals about, and since they can be dangerous in the correct circumstances, a gun can be useful. There is more to SD than what you can see from the I-90 coridoor.

    So that stuff is my opinion, and I don't expect anyone to agree with my attitudes, but the statements about SD are accurate. I view carrying, concealed or otherwise, to be a prudent thing, because you just never know when you may need it. Like I said though, it's just my opinion and other opinions may vary.

    Ok....... hunting. East river is in fact all about phesant hunting. It's big business there, and so is deer hunting. Corn fed dear are pretty desirable, and people are all about shooting them. Oh yeah, water fowl hunting is pretty big over there too.

    I agree, that Deadwood is primarily about gambling. And yes the Hills are very touristy. Mount Rushmore, the Crazy Horse monument, and Windcave National Park are there. There is also Jewel Cave national monument, Spearfish Canyon, the Black Elk Wilderness, the Peter Norbeck wildlife area, the Black Hills National Forest. Badlands National Park, and Devil's Tower National Monument are nearby. Then there is Sturgis, which hosts the largest Harley Davidson ralley in the nation in August of every year. There are hundreds of miles of hiking and biking trails, and Harney Peak is there, which is the at an elevation of 7242, and is the highest point between the Rockey Mountians, and the Great Pyranese Mountians in Europe. Oh yeah, there is also Custer State Park, and the Mamoth Site in the southern Hills. So there is lots to do and see there, and the Hills are not just about the places that were mentioned. There is a Hills culture for the locals in the Hills, not just a tourist trap culture.

    Hunting is HUGE in the Black Hills. Starting the first week in September, there is one such hunting season or another lasting until spring. There is elk bow, elk gun, deer bow, deer gun, fall turkey, bow turkey, spring turkey, and a mountian lion season. There are also muzzleloader seasons for ungulates. Antelope get hunted too. There is a Cabella's, and a Scheels in Rapid City, and a number of privately owned LGS's in the Hills, and they cator to the hunters to a large extent.

    Just to put a fine point on it, to get a CCW permit in SD, all you do is go to the local sheriff's office, or police station, and ask for an application. They do an instant background check, take your ten dollars, and they give you a temporary permit. You are good to go right then and there. Open carry is legal also. Don't carry in a bar, or a school, unless you are a trained and authorized staff member of the school. Don't carry into a courthouse or federal building of course, and you'll be fine. SD honors the permits of all other states.

    SD is an extremely good state for gun ownership, concealed carry acceptance, as well as open carry.
     
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    WKY - in addition to the gun culture in SD, you had better ask some questions about "winter clothing" so you don't look like a "furriner", as CB900F put it! :D
     
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    Bitter cold at times cuz Chaimberland sits in a hole right next to the Misdouri River, strong winds on the plains, and snow drifts.
     
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    WKY;

    Yup, I owe JTHunter a salute for that reminder. Do do some research on winter clothing also. As a mere stripling "yoot", up in the NE corner, I did experience a true sixty degrees f below zero day. It were an adventure and no wind chill factor involved. Waking up at -32, go to school at -25, high for the day -20, & then repeat was not uncommon. There are people in SoDakia who thank God every day for global warming & keep it coming!

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    I bet you can conceal a big ole gun under six layers of wool and Carhartt clothing, hey?
     
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    I lived in Sioux Falls for about 7 years, I remember when Cabella's opened. For the most part, I hated living there, and about the only thing that helped me maintain my sanity was the upland game bird hunting, and my German Short hair loved that as much also, except on the bitter cold days. I also hated tornado season, give me earth quakes any day.

    No seriously though, it was really hard for me to adjust to the handgun culture out there, no open carry at the time, and a bunch of other stuff like posting your name and address in the news paper when you apply for a CWP. But the handgun laws have changed drastically for the better since I lived there from 1995, to 2002, I even think they have OC now?

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    I'm a SD resident. SD is very firearms friendly with few GFZs, easy permit, and many places to shoot.

    Do:
    *...politely put your gun back in the car without grumbling if the owner asks. They're only asking because some torist with blue hair from NYC is making a fus and SD needs it's torist dollars. You and the owner will most likely have a firearm show&tell after the torist with all that metal in her face takes her emo boyfriend back to the hotell.

    *...carry openly in the Black Hills. People act differently when they know you don't have a signal and the police are at least an hour away. OC is deterrence. Also, OC is seen as being open about your intentions, that you aren't trying to get away with anything. The exact opposit view takes hold in a city, where OC is generally seen as trying to intimidate people, though this view only exists because of the aforementiond blue-haired torist.

    *...show any veteran/emt/leo/fire service you have. We love it. You might just get your meal paid for.

    *...be polite to the cops even if they're wrong. That's a good rule wherever go, but in SD a little respect goes further. A good aditude can get you let off with a warning instead of a hefty ticket, even when youre clearly in the wrong. Make their day easier and they'll make your day easier.

    *...dress warm. Think layers. Also, after it rains or snows give the stupid people a couple days to have their accidents and get off the road.

    Don't:
    *...have a gun in a liquor store, any of our many, many casinos (seriously, reno has nothing on us) government building of any kind, or anywhere on school property (not even unloaded and locked in your car). About those government buildings, the statuit stipulates court houses and jails, but carrying into any government building will get the cops called even if it doesn't result in your arrest. Again, make their day easier, they'll make your day easier.

    *...call it "Columbus Day". Seriously, do not do this. Big no no. There's a lot of leftover butt-hurt amung the Lacota and Suix and they will not "get the joke". It's "native american day" and getting that wrong during powwow week might put you in a situation where you need that gun.

    :)
     
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    Great advice from all. Thank you! Will find out soon if we get the job, so hopefully a big move is in store for us. Thank you again!
     
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    I've lived here a LOT longer than that and have never heard ANY of the things you note here concerning carry permits etc.
    Perhaps it is because folks west of the river do NOT consider Sioux Falls as part of the state of SODAK. It is the worst of all the East river sites well noted for their dummorat/socialist/whining ways. Some of them are so ignorent they're not sure the indian wars are done and over with out here in far Western SODAK...and I but barely exaggerate here , folks !!
    And so it goes...
     
  17. 460Shooter

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    Very true. The state of SD is really three distinct regions. Easy River, West River, and the Black Hills. Racial relations between the tribe and non-natives are still a big issue in the western part of the state, with incidents coming up in the news every now and then. There's a lot of bad blood lingering on.

    East river is fairly liberal, and largely thought of as a different state. It's similar to Northern California's attitude towards Southern California. Really, they are two different states.

    The entire state is pretty gun friendly, but the west is best for sure.
     
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    Is it legal for a white man to carry on a Indian Reservation?
     
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    THAT all depends...by'n'large they do not even want to see your white eyes on the rez in the best of times. As my Indian guide on the Rosebud reservation [ Brule Sioux..] told me, hells belles we don't even go over on the Pine Ridge [ Lakota...] rez !!! HE WAS SERIOUS !
    And so it goes...
     
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    I think it is, but am not sure on that. Emailing the State of South Dakota would be advisable if one really wanted to know. I've never heard of any prohibition by the tribe, but they do have their own laws.
     
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    Pine Ridge is in rough shape to say the least. Some LEO friends of mine told me tales of what they saw there.

    I'll just say that as a white man, I do not think I would be welcomed there for obvious reasons, I definately wouldn't go there unarmed, and as comes with my personal philosophy, if you wouldn't go some place without a gun, you shouldn't go at all.

    One could call the tribal headquarters and inquire about carrying on a rez.
     
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    I have relatives that live in the Black Hills so I have heard a lot of stories, well enough stories not to carry.

    My point is the reservations are called Indian Nation and I know from Oklahoma they have their own legal system, courts, etc.
     
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    Exactly right. They are pretty much considered a sovereign nation. I did look at the statute a little bit ago, and it says "The permit shall be valid throughout the state...."
     
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    Chamberlin is a great town . You are close to Mitchell and there is a Cabela's and everything else you could ever want . The pheasant and duck hunting are the best . Make friends with a farmer , they are always looking for help this time of year . We have killed lots of pheasants walking through standing corn .
     
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    in regards to no need to carry in SD due to low population density....HUH?!?!!? That is EXACTLY why SD has one of the highest per capita rates of CCW in the nation...a low population density means there are vast areas with little to no law enforcement presence. I grew up in a rural county of approximately 2000 people that covered an area of 1310 square miles. This ENTIRE area was "patrolled" by the countny sheriff and one or two deputies....the odds of all three being on duty at any given time were close to zero. Calling 911 can realistically result in a 20 minute (or potentially much longer) wait for help. Due to the facts eing what they are, many SD residents realistically believe that they will be "on their own" if the need for protection arises and carry accordingly. Factor in the presence of multiple native american reservations, hotbeds of criminal activity, strewn throughout the state (and imposing a confusing aspect of jurisdictional questions) that include several of the poorest counties in the nation, and the idea one shouldnt really have a need to carry goes completely out the window. I'd argue one has MORE of a need to carry in areas with limited law enforcement resources, not a lesser need.


    That said, the idea one will face open hostilities on the reservation, and that one shouldn't go there unarmed ever is a bit alarmist. I've spent a lot of time on various reservations in SD, and while hotbeds of criminal activity as stated, the idea whites face open discrimination or are retaliated against just for being present is laughable. When not raised around the culture, I can see one being intimidated by suddenly being a minority out in the middle of absolute nowhere....but the days of raidng parties and scalping are over folks :) That said, the SD permit IS valid on tribal grounds within the state of SD.

    Regarding Gamestalker's comments.......I'm a bit confused as a lifelong SD resident. State law has been amended to forbid publication of CCW holders. Even before that point, it wasn't part of the permitting process per se, but a matter of public record. Some overzealous news agencies used the public record to gather names, and published them on occasion. Such actions was not welcomed by a good many people, and the law was were changed to prevent this occurrence. Open carry has long been legal in SD, and cannot remember a time when it wasn't, to be perfectly honest (38 yrs old here, been carrying legally since 18). Frankly I think Gamestalker is mistaken in the idea open carry was ever prohibited during his time as a resident. I cannot find ANY reference ANYWHERE with a basic google search that implies its EVER been against the law to open carry in SD., thought I'd welcome info to the contrary if one comes across it) As a gun owner and shooter, I honestly cannot imagine a much more gun-friendly state.
     
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