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Speedway is anti gun

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by TWeatherford, Oct 13, 2010.

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  1. TWeatherford

    TWeatherford Member

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    Was headed into my local Speedway (a gas station chain for those that don't have them in their area) and noticed a small sign stating "Firearms and other deadly weapons are strictly prohibited on these premises." So I sent them an email and it is below.

    I've been in there many times before and never noticed the sign, although I'm always scanning for them. I'm 99% sure I've OC'd in there and didn't have a problem. Anyway, they won't be receiving my business anymore. If anyone wants to send them an email I recommend using the form available at http://www.speedway.com/ContactUs/EmailUs.aspx

    Hello,
    I was entering my local Speedway this evening and noticed a
    small sign stating "Firearms and other deadly weapons are strictly
    prohibited on these premises."

    Is this a corporate policy or the rule of this individual store?

    Thank You,
    xxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxx

    Dear xxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxx,

    This is an acknowledgement of your E-mail. It is a companywide policy
    that firearms and other deadly weapons are prohibited at our Speedway
    SuperAmerica locations.

    Thank you for taking the time to write us. We are always interested in
    hearing from our customers whatever the reason.

    Sincerely,
    Sarah
    Speedway SuperAmerica LLC Customer Service
     
  2. FIVETWOSEVEN

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    Who needs security when a sign stops all criminals? Why don't they say crime is prohibted? That'll work right?
     
  3. Knotthead

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    Thanks for pointing that out. While the sign carries no legal weight in KY, they will receive no more of my business and I will not have to waste my time stopping there.

    edited to add: Have sent and email asking if this is true. Will report any response.
     
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  4. writerinmo

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    An email stating that to them might be in order. Might not do any good, but keeping silent on it certainly won't either. I'll send them one stating my position, even though I am far away from any, not like the email has a "return address" in the upper left.
     
  5. TexasRifleman

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    One thing to keep in mind. Some states have a specific sign that carries legal weight and other signs have no meaning.

    It's entirely possible that the Speedway KNOWS this and has made the decision to put up the non legally binding signs on purpose.

    I have a friend here in Ft Worth who has the "No Guns" signs in his jewelry store, to appease the soccer moms.

    He knows all too well that the sign means nothing to lawful CHL holders and he welcomes them. We simply ignore the sign.

    If asked publicly he would say the same "Guns are not welcome here", but he knows the whole time that CHL holders can and (maybe) will ignore that.

    May not be the best business decision but it's at least possible.
     
  6. MattTheHat

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    Sounds strange. Maybe his customers are much different than mine, but in over 30 years I've never had a customer indicate any preference as to whether or not a gun policy was posted. If they did, they'd be invited to leave, for their own peace of mind.


    -Matt
     
  7. Caliper_Mi

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    What? Like cars? :scrutiny:

    or tire irons?

    Do they sell knives inside? :evil:
     
  8. TexasRifleman

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    At one time he had a "Concealed Handguns Welcome" sign and it caused some grief so he went, in my opinion, too far in the other direction.

    Better to leave it unspoken completely.

    But, bottom line is it's always possible these kinds of signs with no legal weight are there intentionally and not necessarily an indicator of anti. Likely? Probably not, but possible.
     
  9. InkEd

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    Some companies (usually larger ones) post those signs to appease their insurance companies.
     
  10. Freedom_fighter_in_IL

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    Ok please pardon me if I sound completely retarded here, But do not most states have it to where if you are on PRIVATE property (Yes even stores are considered private property) that you as, a CCW holder, have to abide by THEIR RULES and if you don't then they CAN take legal action against you, if caught that is? I mean I do personally think it's retarded myself, but I do know that in some states, if you walk into someones home armed and refused to disarm then they can file some sort of charges. Now granted that example is to the extreme, but you get the point I imagine. Just trying to straighten things out in my head on the legalities. I guess my point is this, It is THEIR property. Just because you do not agree with their policies and you are a CCW holder, that does NOT give you the right to enter a Posted No Guns property. Look at it this way, If you did not want some stranger entering your home armed, how would you feel if someone said the SAME thing some of you folks are saying and doing? Just because that sign has no "legal" weight, does NOT give you the right to enter that persons PRIVATE property armed against his/her wishes. I see some of you guys always saying basically "Screw that sign Ill carry wherever I damn well want to" and THAT right there is a VERY poor attitude. YOU have the choice there, abide by their wishes and do not enter their PRIVATE PROPERTY armed or shop elsewhere.
     
  11. MattTheHat

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    Ah, okay, I get it now.


    -Matt
     
  12. Erik M

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    I feel your pain. I had to take my wife to a doctors appointment and the clinic we visited had a sign stating that concealed weapons were against the beliefs of the property owners. Anti's turn up in the most mundane places.
     
  13. TexasRifleman

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    Yes but in many states the laws have very specific requirements as to the wording of the signs before they have any meaning.

    Texas for example, where I am, the signs have to be in a very specific wording, with the letters of a very specific size, etc.

    A sign that does not exactly meet the specifications in the law may be ignored.

    It's up to the property owner to make sure they have the right signs. So, sometimes when you see a sign that doesn't meet the law you have to wonder if that was intentional and I'm aware of several around here that the property owner absolutely intends to NOT ban those with a permit but still has some kind of "no guns" sign for other purposes, political or insurance or whatever the case may be.
     
  14. basicblur

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    In VA (like many states), if the owner posts, you can't carry, but the sign does not carry the weight of law. If you carry, are discovered and asked to leave, you can either do so, or they can call the law on you and have you arrested for trespassing (not a weapons violation).

    Not going to get into the private property argument, but there are those (myself included) that think there is a BIG difference between home/landowners etc. setting rules for their property, and a business that invites the public at large in (even though it is still private property).

    I think Judge Napolitano covered it nicely.
     
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    Most of the time these signs are not "anti-gun". The store/owners probably don't care two hoots in Hades about guns, one way or the other. They're "anti-liability." They put up a sign and if a gun battle happens to break out, the store can point to the sign and say..."See, it's not our fault. We told them not to bring guns here."
     
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    LMAO. There was one 2 lots down from one of the local gun stores that did the same thing. They got robbed by armed thugs about every other week when they put the sign up. After 3 months, they took it down and have not been robbed since.

    With a gas station in particular it is retarded to advertise yourself as a soft target.
     
  17. foghornl

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    I haven't seen the postings on the Speedways I visit here in NE Ohio, but i'll be looking....
     
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    The signs have nothing to do with stopping criminals. I am continually amazed by the number of pro-gun folks who cannot comprehend this notion. As noted, it does pertain to liability. If somebody is hurt by a gun that is allowed to be carried on the property, then the business may be held liable for allowing it. If there is a prohibition against guns then they are less likely to be held liable. Think back to the various stories we read over the last few years of people carrying guns and having NDs in public, of which some have resulted in injuries.

    As TR noted, these policies are sometimes by formality only or the posted signs are such to have no legal value as to penal code.
     
  19. Gouranga

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    I understand what you are saying but the sad thought about this...if I put my car into drive instead of Reverse and drive through the side of the Speedway and run down 3 patrons, is Speedway liable because they did not ban cars in their parking lot? If I drop a key chain carrying OC spray and it has a 1 in a 100 landing and goes off injuring everyone in the store will the store be sued because they did not ban OC spray? Same notion, IMO, same liability. In reality would the court see them an equivalent arguments, depends on the court I reckon, but still a retarded notion. If I misuse an item (Gun, OC spray, car, etc) and injure someone, then it is my fault not a gas stations. But then again, cars, OC spray is inanimate while guns are evil, blood thirsty and self aware, waiting to harm all living people except those who wield them.
     
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    Glad they don't have any idea that vehicles can be weapons also.
    Boy, next thing you know, they'll be posting 'This is not a drivethrough' on the front door since not everyone knows that putting a motor vehicle through a building is considered inapproperiate behavior.

    I feel like I should unofficially boycott them but considering that the whole college thing is like hemorrhaging money, it's kinda a necessary evil to go there around these parts.
    However, it is one of the more sketchy gas stations around so I'll continue to carry, thank you very much.
     
  21. Average Joe

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    A sign ? If they put up a sign, that said " Robberies not permitted on these premises"
    Would the criminals obey ? Just ignore it, and go on with your business.
     
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    I really hope to have my own business one day. If I do, I'm going to put up a sign in the front window.

    "Crime is strictly forbidden on these premises. Thank you for your cooperation."
     
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    Let us follow FfiI 's logic:
    "" Ok please pardon me if I sound completely retarded here, But do not most states have it to where if you are on PRIVATE property (Yes even stores are considered private property) that you as, a CCW holder, have to abide by THEIR RULES and if you don't then they CAN take legal action against you, Just because that sign has no "legal" weight, does NOT give you the right to enter that persons PRIVATE property armed against his/her wishes.[[let me interject that MY constitutional rights accompany me everywhere, and in some case the precede me]]] I see some of you guys always saying basically "Screw that sign Ill carry wherever I damn well want to" and THAT right there is a VERY poor attitude. YOU have the choice there, abide by their wishes and do not enter their PRIVATE PROPERTY armed or shop elsewhere. ""
    Do you mean then, sorta like, "No blacks allowed in this establishment" signs?? No, wait -- that's a Civil Right, isn't it? No, it isn't ... "Civil Rights" are not in the Constitution, and they mean whatever TSCOTUS says they mean. But to carry -- "keep and BEAR", IS a Constitutional right. With few noted exceptions.
     
  24. Freedom_fighter_in_IL

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    daorhgih, I guess you failed to notice that I DID say I think these signs are retarded. But there is also a little sign in 99% of businesses that really has a major input in this discussion. MANAGEMENT RESERVES THE "RIGHT" TO REFUSE SERVICE TO ANYONE Now according to what that judge says, since your business is open to the public that business owners MUST let CCW carriers in their establishment. Sorry but that is SO incorrect it's not even funny. As a business owner, I have the right to say no to any damn body I want to and if I don't want guns in my store then by God I don't have to. My damn property, my damn rules. Don't freaking like it, don't freaking shop there. Plain and simple. Basically what some of you are trying to say is, YOUR freedoms are more important than MY FREEDOMS. Your "right" to carry supersedes my "right" to freely conduct business on my own property? Sorry buddy but your argument holds no water. WE as gun owners need to set an example or we will not be able to have our beloved weapons. Trampling others rights just because we do not agree with them is by far NOT setting that example.
     
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    To those that turn their backs on business that don't allow firearms...can you carry at work?
     
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