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Speer Gold Dot Personal Protection Ammo

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Gun Geezer, Dec 28, 2011.

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  1. Gun Geezer

    Gun Geezer Member

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    I have never shot or owned "premium" ammo. Just usually shoot S&B FMJ ammo in all my automatics. I have recently surrendered to the philosophy that FMJ is not best for self defense. Thus, I asked for and Santa delivered 2 boxes of Speer Gold Dot ammo for my 380 ACP CCW.

    In one box I found one cartridge with cracked case. The crack extends from the case mouth to about 1/4" from the case mouth. This cartridge was right out of the box. Never loaded into a mag and never chambered. The box exhibits no signs of being crushed, etc.

    As I bought 2 boxes, this is 1 in 40 (2 1/2 %) failure rate. I just looked up their website. Too late today to call and the website is not accepting questions to "Ask Speer".

    This ammo is pricey and I'm counting on it to function as designed. Is Speer Gold Dot ammo reliable or did I just get a very rare bad cartridge?
     

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  2. btg3

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    For .380, there is a good argument to use FMJ rather than premium ammo.

    For your 40-piece sample you have 2.5% defective product. No failures, as yet.

    Good move to contact Speer. (If you must have premium ammo for your .380, try to get a refund and then consider buying Buffalo Bore... after you read their info on .380 ammo choices.)

    Speer has a good name. So I'd say their ammo is reliable and you got a rare defective.
     
  3. bigfatdave

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    extremely rare ... I've bought, inspected, and fired hundreds of rounds of Speer premium handgun ammo ... never an issue.

    I do avoid the 20x boxes, though, 50x boxes are so much cheaper per round that they're worth looking for, once you figure out a reliable load for your gun, that is.

    I'm curious to know what response you get from Speer, please do update us when you get something back.
     
  4. hammerklavier

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    Speer is good ammo. Tell them about it & send the photo to them. Maybe they'll send you more ammo :)
     
  5. heeler

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    Wonder if it was damaged in shipping or stocking??
    Always a possibility.
     
  6. AABEN

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    I only carry HP in the summer. I like the flat nose for the winter. The HP will fill up with clothing and stop short. 38 357 40.The 380 is keep close for a back up.
     
  7. Gun Geezer

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    It did not look like the box was damaged in shipping

    I'll hopefully get them on the phone tomorrow
     
  8. MutinousDoug

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    I am sure that Speer will make your purchase good if you notify them. The defect displayed is unacceptable quality in SD ammunition.
     
  9. doc2rn

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    It looks like the press pushed the bullet in like cross threading a nut on a bolt, and the case mouth cracked. I think this is just a rare production defect. I think speer, who has a great reputation and following, will make good on the product.
     
  10. Ragnar Danneskjold

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    Just as an aside, statistics based on ratio-to-sample size only hold up if they can be repeated. If you bought more boxes and got the same result or close to it, then it would be a true failure percentage. If not, it's an outlier.

    Buying 5 lottery tickets and winning with one of them does not mean you have a 20% chance of winning the lottery.
     
  11. doc540

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    rare anomaly

    SGD is great ammo

    However, I like the Barnes family and their all-copper self defense ammo.
    CorBon loads it.
     
  12. slowr1der

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    That's really weird and I'd say you got the rare defective one. I've never had any Speer rounds be defective, nor jam, nor give me any other sort of problems at all.

    As said above though, the 20 round boxes are a rip off. You can usually buy the 50 round boxes packaged for LE for not much more. Check out policehq.com as well as ammunitiontogo.com for the 50 round boxes. My three favorite hollow point rounds are Federal HST's, Speer Gold Dots, and Winchester Ranger T's in that order. Policehq.com is great to deal with and sells the first two to anyone, but they won't sell Ranger T's to the public. Ammunition to Go sells all of them to the general public if and when they have them.
     
  13. Steve H

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    I had a bad run of cracked nickel cases from Speer in .45ACP I called them with the lot # and emailed photos. A few days later I received a thank you call and after that 2 50 round boxes.
     
  14. BullfrogKen

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    Speer has been pushing production hard to meet demand, but I'd have expected quality control to catch that before it left production.
     
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    John Farnum recommends inspecting any ammunition intended for "serious" usage. Volume production methods will produce a small (but non-zero) level of defects. The post-production inspection phase(s) is/are supposed to catch the defects, but it's not perfect. All of this is made for a price by people operating machinery.

    I've read stories about factory production ammunition with:

    Upside down projectiles
    torn cases from projectile seating
    cracked cases
    sideways primers
    upside down primers
    cartridges without power
    cartridges with wrong powder
    cartridges with too much powder
    cases without flash holes (!). - Good luck inspecting for that on a finished cartridge.

    etc

    Production defects or the possibility thereof is why factory ammunition
    packaging has lot numbers to identify it's brothers and sisters.
    This simplifies recalls (in the worse case). It happens on occasion.
     
  16. Gun Geezer

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    I never thought about inspecting the primers. Great idea, though! Might also want to drop them into a reloading go/no-go gauge to make sure it is sized right and not too long per SAMI specs.
     
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    Speer's "Ask Speer" email form is not up and running at all. I cannot even find the link for it on their "Contact Us" web page. No idea why.

    I called the Speer 800 number and got security. It seems Speer has no one working until after the new year. What a great place to work!

    I'll try to get feedback next week when I can talk to someone.
     
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    No. This happened in the loading process
     
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    Cases with no flash holes??

    Has anyone ever seen this happen on quality SD ammo? Not that you are likely to, unless you are lucky enough to get a chance to inspect the dud round which caused "the loudest click you will ever hear."

    A friend once found a round of Blazer aluminum cased .40S&W where the extractor groove was missing.

    Its enough to make a guy want to load up all his own SD ammo, by hand, one at a time, under a bright light, with a magnifying glass.
     
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    Self-defense ammo

    The department I am chaplain with uses Speer GD because it is what the FBI use. It is excellent ammo. I am sure they will replace your damaged round and it's entire box. I would never carry my own loads for self-defense. Too many liability issues in an already liability laden situation. JMO
     
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    Since you order ammo get the same bullet from Geogia Arms. Cheaper too. They use starline brass on the new ammo and the Speer GD bullet but because they are a competeing company they have to now use the "speers bonded unicore" name instead of the gold dot label. Way better ptice . There +p 124gr runs fron my glock 17 1200 to 1235 fps and from my kahr cw9 1993 to 1212fps. http://georgia-arms.com/9mmluger-4.aspx
     
  22. Shawn Dodson

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    You can buy .380 Gold Dot in 50 round boxes for $37.00 here - http://www.policehq.com/Products/CCI-380GD1

    If I owned a .380 pistol my first choice of defense ammo would be Winchester USA 95gr FMJ (product # Q4206). It has a flat nose that crushes more tissue (greater wound trauma) than a round nose FMJ. Cost is about $20.00 for 50 rounds at MidwayUSA.
    [​IMG]
     
  23. gym

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    Try some Golden sabre 102 grain. Also Corbon powerball makes a fast little sucker over 1000fps from a 2" barrel. Look at their website, I spent a few hours reading up on new 380 ammo, it's not like the stuff we used 20 years ago. This 380 generation is on par with 9mm at close ranges. I know someone is going to say it's noware as good, but I carry both, and the 380 will drop you just as well as the 9mm at gunfight ranges of 7yds or less. It's just having a pistol that you can shoot well.
     
  24. rcmodel

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    The flat point bullet would be great if Winchester loaded it to full power.
    But they don't.

    This from an American Rifleman Kel-Tec P3AT test.

    [​IMG]

    rc
     
  25. RevolvingGarbage

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    In general, flat nosed solid or FMJ rounds are not a terrible choice for defense. However if those rounds are intended for target shooting or practice, you may be buying rounds that are downloaded to cut costs, reduce recoil, etc.

    If you want to use a non-expanding bullet for self defense, avoid Winchester/Remington/Federal/CCI target ammo, and instead opt for foreign produced rounds as they are usually loaded to higher pressures than our domestic ammo.

    Another option is Buffalo Bore. Its pricey, but if you want a flat nosed bullet with some serious steam behind it for defense, then its about the best you can get.
     
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