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Spielberg- had a gun or two in his new movie!

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by CentralTexas, Jul 3, 2005.

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  1. CentralTexas

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    After going back and digitally erasing guns from the cops in E.T. and ignoring the fact Schindler also gave the Jews guns once again old Spiel berg hacks me off. In War of the Worlds (which is good for that sort of thing) Tom get's his revolver from under the bed and it's in a lock box which he was able to set the combination on and get it out in half a second. Message? It causes no delay to get a gun out of a locked box in an emergency. Tom later uses it in self defense and has it taken away by another man with a gun. It's then used by another man to commit murder. Tim Robbins (Yes, Susan Sarandons hubby) is the only other person out of thousands (Beside the cops/army) with a gun on the whole east coast! Hmmmm, maybe that's kinda true. ;)
    Anyway he is a nut case with a shotgun who if he has his way and fights back may endanger Cruise & daughter, true in the situation but still...
    The aliens have landed and are killing us all and they are traveling between NY and Boston and nobody is fighting back but the authorities- message for us all? I wish I had Spielbergs home addy i would buy the loser a membership in the JFPO just to annoy him.
    CT :cuss:
     
  2. RomanKnight

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    Propagenda for victim disarment! No citizens are armed, no "civilians" fight back. None. Well, except one: Tim Robbins' character, and he's a looney, deserving to be killed... I knew there was something wrong, something missing, but couldn't pinpoint it. Half-way through the movie it hit me: all the sheeple do is run, no one fights back, nobody had guns and shot the aliens. The "professionals" -the Army/AF/Marines- do all the fighting, without much success, while the surviving population runs away. Another thing: why do people go back into the cities destroyed by aliens (Cruises' character goes to Boston), instead of spreading out into the countryside, a better place for escape, survival, and resistance? Message for the sheeple: stay in your cities, and .gov will take care of you!
     
  3. Cesiumsponge

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    I've always been annoyed with Spielberg's filming methods. I think the multiple and annoyingly false endings in AI and Minority Report pushed me over the edge and I've ignored everything he has done since.

    It seems like War of the Worlds just reinforces stereotypes a lot of people already hold today in that everything will be taken care of and they just need to sit back and leech.
     
  4. Hypnogator

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    Spielberg! :barf: Don't get me started! :cuss:

    Too late! :uhoh:

    The Jurassic Park Trilogy -- clever children outwit ferocious dinosaurs while adults who have firearms are too incompetent to use them! :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

    Disney is another. Went to see "The Pacifier" awhile back, at the $1 theater. Kinda enjoyable if you buy into the idea that a SEAL Lt never carries a gun and can always defeat armed opponents with clever judo moves. And a duck. :what:

    High on the list of my reasons for wanting to write fiction is that my protagonists would have guns, and know how to use them.
     
  5. AZRickD

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    Like most movies, if the director allowed the victims to have guns, it would make for a rather short movie.

    The children in each J-Park movie were as annoying as can be. "This is UNIX. I know this!!" With tons of facial close-ups of awed or frightened children. Yikes.

    Rick
     
  6. The_Shootist

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    No Guns

    Well, I guess if Spielberg had set the movie in Texas he would have had to to shorten it by an hour or two :D .

    Aliens or no aliens - getting a face full of .38spl/9mm would likely spoil your day whatever your planet of origin.
     
  7. TODD3465

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    Yep and here in ARkansas as well. :evil:
     
  8. Mad Man

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    Actually, FSN was a pro-type for a Unix GUI developed by Silicon Graphics.

    http://www.sgi.com/fun/freeware/3d_navigator.html

    [BLOCKQUOTE]

    3D File System Navigator for IRIX 4.0.1+

    [​IMG]


    As seen in "Jurassic Park"!

    fsn (pronounced fusion) is a file system navigator in cyberspace. It lays out the directories in a hierarchy with each directory represented by a pedestal. The height of the pedestal is proportional to the size of the files in the directory. The directories are connected by wires, on which it is possible to travel. On top of each directory are boxes representing individual files. The height of the box represents the size of the file, while the color represents the age.

    Fsn is intended as an investigation in information landscape navigation. Although the file system was chosen as a system to navigate through, similar paradigms could be applied to other trees and graphs, such as call graphs.

    Keep in mind that fsn is a prototype and an experiment. It is neither a full featured product nor a replacement for a filesystem manager such as Workspace.

    Note: FSN only works on IRIX versions 5.3 and below.

    Fsn is available via anonymous ftp from our ftp server ftp.sgi.com in the directory ~ftp/sgi/fsn. There are 2 files in this directory:

    [BLOCKQUOTE]
    -r--r--r-- 1 root 0 4718 Apr 8 1992 README
    -r--r--r-- 1 root 0 304484 Mar 27 1992 fsn.tar.Z
    [/BLOCKQUOTE]

    fsn.tar.Z is a compressed tar file containing all the files needed to install and run fsn. README contains instructions for uncompressing, installing, and running fsn.

    To obtain fsn via anonymous ftp, use user name "anonymous" and your email address as a password:

    [BLOCKQUOTE]
    %ftp ftp.sgi.com
    Enter user name: anonymous
    Password: me@myhost.edu
    ftp> cd sgi/fsn
    ftp> get README
    ftp> get fsn.tar.Z
    ftp> quit
    [/BLOCKQUOTE]
    [/BLOCKQUOTE]
     
  9. Mad Man

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    Because we know that federal LEOs would never use guns when going after children.

    [​IMG]

    I'm sure when Speilberg makes E.G. : The Little Alien, the MP5 will be replaced with a radio.

    (If I had any PhotoShop skills, I'd do it myself.)
     

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    SS has degenerated in every respect since his early years. Watch "Jaws" again. It's not only an amazingly good film, it contains none of the PC bravo sierra which came to characterize his later efforts. Not only is it not anti-gun, there's one scene where a man screams out in vain--"doesn't anyone have a gun?" as the shark swims right under a bridge. The film features an array of classic Garands, the chief's S&W revolver and of course the modified Martini-Henry harpoon gun. He started going soft as he rose in status from an outsider TV director to Sillywood's A list. IMHO even "Saving Private Ryan" is tainted by his soft underbelly. After the opening sequence the film completely loses its spine and becomes a remake of bits and pieces of classic WWII films.

    I haven't seen WOTW, but it sounds similar to the abortive "Signs", where the action took place in some sort of alternate universe midwest where nobody owned a shotgun or rifle.

    The most realistic SHTF film in recent years as far as firearms goes was the "Dawn of the Dead" remake. And the only reason the firearms were realistic was because the director insisted on it. Most Sillywood efforts either give everyone a Deagle and five subguns or completely disarm everyone.
     
  11. Cesiumsponge

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    All your radio are belong to us.
     

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    They erased the guns in ET? I didn't know that. Well, I don't quite believe you, but I maybe 65% believe you. Enough so I have to rent it now to see. No offence, but it is the internet...
     
  13. scratchy wilson

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    Han shot first! :fire:
     
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    Greedo didn't even shoot, actually.
    Pre-revisionism, of course
     
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    Sorry guys, I think you are looking for things to go after that just arn't there in this case. The movie was not about some Average Joe going on a one man rampage and defeating the Aliens. This was about the last remnants of Society surviving and trying to escape. This was not about "victim disarmament" or anything close to it. The people that had tried to fight back were already dead and gone.

    Nevermind. I give up. I could go on for hours but some people are going to insist that any movie/book/TV show that doesn't have 50 armed citizens, is just trying to take away our guns or make America Hate guns.
     
  16. chris in va

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    I just saw the movie tonight.

    I actually timed TC's lock box open at a hair over 2 seconds...plenty of time to open a manual safe. That was certainly in line with reality.

    I did notice however SS's possible anti showing in the scene with TC dropping his revolver, then having it used on a guy that stole his van. Then everyone stole the van. :rolleyes:

    Of course TR is a crazy dude with a shotty and another possible weapon on the hip (?). Oh well.

    I thought the movie was pretty good, especially the first 1/4. The ending...definitely needed work. :rolleyes:
     
  17. Cesiumsponge

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    He botched the ending of another movie? At least he gets points for sticking to a template.

    If you Google up "Spielberg ET erased guns" or something to those lines, you'll find a lot of credible sources that mention they were digitally removed from the new version they did of the original ET. They also redubbed some parts...notably where the word "terrorist" was replaced with "hippie"
     
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    Just saw the movie. IMO, I agree with Azizza. This is a movie for the general masses. I don't understand the logic of having hoards of avenging law abiding American gun owners saving the day in every movie, particularly when it is not the center of the plot. I can understand the logic when seeing no-doubt anti-gun movies but in this instance, it wasn't the case. How did the original movie go?

    You drive into an angry mob, fire two rounds from your revolver to get attention, someone points a gun at your head and tells you to drop it while you have the responsibility of the safety of your two kids. How would you handle it?

    Only problems I saw was the guy using the camcorder when every electronic device should have been fried and the idea of the aliens previously burying the tripods millions of years beforehand. What, they couldn't develop new technology since then?

    With that last alien crawling outta the hatch, I think I would have plugged him with a burst and said, "Take THAT to your leader mofo."

    Hurray for the microorganisms.
     
  19. Joejojoba111

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    Lol, I didn't think it was anti, just stupid people. So many of them. And the buried machines idea, that's new and stupid both! On the radio their was a 'metal cylinder' that flew from mars and stuck into the ground, and then a 'metal monster' crawled out.

    Anyway I thought it was crazy that there were no firearms, too. Then I realized it was New York, that Tom Cruise's handgun was actually illegal.!!

    So I don't think it's anti-gun, I think all the anti-gun people watching the movie would have wished they had an illegal handgun too, in that situation. Maybe some people will think about it and change their minds a bit.

    But the amount of stupid people was amazing. Big metal monster that shoots lasers coming, ok lets struggle to get onto the biggest target to cross the river, for no real reason. Ok children still acting like idiots, don't understand the situation? No problem kids will be kids. Ok people all stand around a hole in the ground as cracks form, then run away, but stop 10 feet later and stand around and look some more, then run away 10 feet, then stop and look, then a monster comes out, and they run away, then stop and look... I know Americans are out of shape but Come On!

    The only realistic part was where he killed Tim Robbins. That was out of a good movie, with real characters and stuff, and they took the clip and spliced it into WOTW.

    And I love how the monsters spend countless amount of time searching every ruined house and basement, but doing a very poor job of it, instead of just tossing some space grenades in there.
     
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    Anti-gun? I don't think so. Well, Tim Robbins had to get his two bits in about occupations and whatnot, but he's a dipstick and is wont to do stuff like that.

    The aliens so rarely came out of their war machines that small arms were all but useless anyway. I mean, if a 120mm smoothbore isn't going to get through that forcefield, a five-five-six from your tricked out AR isn't going to, either. Heh.

    Which brings me to my next point. These forcefields envelop the war machines, yet their legs can march through buildings and such. Perhaps the legs are unprotected? Or perhaps Hollywood has yet to really stop and think about the invisible forcefield idea (you know, the magic ones that anything except bullets and missiles can get through). And how come when the tripod's pilot became sick his machine's force field stopped working?

    I honestly would've preferred to see the human forces having some success (no silly force fields), but being overwhelmed and driven back.

    The war machines seemed to have some kind of microwave gun as an antipersonnel weapon. I don't know what else could theoretically poof a person but not touch their clothes (also makes cars combust). Again, a good old-fashioned incinerating energy beam would've felt less...B-Movie. But I think Spielberg was trying to nod to the B-List alien invasion movies of yore.

    People complaining about the ending...well, it's the same ending as the 60s movie version, and is pretty close to H.G. Wells' novel. It's an abrupt Deus Ex Machina.

    The mob scene was pretty realistic, I think. When you've seen half of your town get incinerated and shock kicks in, rational behavior isn't going to be yoru forte anymore. Something like an alien invasion would be so hard for people to accept that mass hysteria and shock would be the order of the day.

    And when seeing a 300 foot tall alien war machine coming over the hill to kill you, yeah, it's time to beat feet.

    I wonder about the spraying blood deal and the red plant. I don't get it. Were the martians trying to...um...mars-iform Earth?

    The thing I really wonder about is, if they buried the war machines ages ago, why not launch their invasion then when the world's population was 500 million total and we were still throwing spears at each other?

    Still, I liked the flick. Much powerful imagery. The burning train scene struck a cord with me for some reason.

    Odd note. Saw the flick in the City Center Mall in Doha, Qatar. Mostly thobe-clad locals in the audience. Scene where the girl sees the dead bodies floating down the river? They were roaring with laughter. :scrutiny:
     
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    I am confused about Tim Robbins and his shotgun. Was it an unloaded shotgun that he places ONE shell into? Or was it loaded to max cap minus 1 and he was topping it off? I dont understand. I saw the movie 2 times (not cuz i loved it) and that still bothers the heck out of me.

    I can see why you might keep the chamber empty while toting it around a basement with a stranger and her 10 year old daughter, but unloaded, then loading it with 1 shell while 3-4 aliens roam your basement?

    :confused:
     
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    Isn't most of hollywood like this? Gotta take movies with a grain of salt sometimes... But informative post...
     
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    Cosmoline:
    Boy, you've got that right. I noticed that, too. M Night Shamalot is definitely anti-gun. His movies are pure Hollywood garbage. Like you said, "shotgun" or "rifle"....... it's not like I would have expected Gibson to pull out an MP5 or a USP. But can't we at least have an old pump scattergun, or a Winchester 94? Nah, no midwest farmers would ever own any of them. :rolleyes:

    That is probably the most pro-gun Hollywood movie I have ever seen. It's a great zombie flick, too. One of the best.
     
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    Okay, okay...don't get your panties in a wad. If you haven't seen the movie yet, you have no business speculating whether it is right or wrong that the people (sheeple) are just fleeing and doing nothing.

    First of all the entire movie covers the span of a weekend. Aliens populate buried tripods and start blasting away. Tripods, coincidentally, are armored/shielded somehow and even hard artillery is useless. So, I guess you POS Glock .40 is going to be effective, right? Now, had the movie covered a longer period, I am sure an effective resistance could have been mounted.

    Secondly, it appears that the aliens only come out of the tripods once they are reasonably sure the area is clear of human life. How do you propose to make a stand against them with your pistols, rifles, and shotguns? I don't care for Tim Robbins but I think his is the only character that had the right idea. Hunker down and wait it out. He wigged out and started making all sorts of noise and endangered them but aside from that, he had the best plan.

    So, now, instead of bashing a movie most of you haven't seen, either pony up the bucks to see it for yourself and judge or ****.

    Greg
     
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    In "Independence Day" the police made an announcment for people to stop shooting at the alien ship as it could trigger a intergalactic war. :evil:
     
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