Spring Planting, long term storage Qs

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Bury my guns?!? I live in an apartment. I like to entertain. Maybe I'll have a "cocktail party" of a different kind if they come looking for my guns... :)

What about everything the other guys suggested but you bury your guns IN a septic tank (unused of course). I mean who the hell would look for anything in a septic tank?
 
I used to install septic systems, and I must admit that the idea is intriguing. A lot of septic systems involve two tanks, one to catch the solids and one which is used as a distribution box to the laterals. Tanks are usually 1000 gallon capacity and come in concrete or plastic form. The plastic would be easier to make water tight. A lot of septic systems also use lift pumps to pump the water to an elevated lateral field, so electrical connections next to the tank would not be out of the ordinary. You could add a second tank for your cache that is next to the septic system, but not connected to it. Water proof the tank, add a dehumidifier and you would have plenty of space for weapons, ammo, a limited supply of food, clothing, etc. The downside to this would be the cost involved.
 
The cost would not be as high as you might think. There are no plumbing lines to run (or you might run a dummy line yourself), no permits, no real skilled labor involved that you would have to pay for if you were putting in a real system. the tank would cost a bunch but not much more than a high dollar safe but with much higher capacity.
 
I was thinking of this for a trunk gun (though now, since I park in a firearms-free garage, I can't keep one there.)

Coat the barrel with preservative, but add a Boresnake(TM) or other pull-through device in the barrel. If solidly packed with the goop of your choice, run a copper wire down the bore through the goop to catch the boresnake (or whatever) pull the pullcord through, and store the gun with the cord hanging out of the muzzle.

When ready to go, just pull the cord through the barrel, the Boresnake (or other patched device) follows, hauling out all the goop along with it, leaving a clean bore in mere moments.

Practical?

Nonsensical?

Doable?

Improvements/other suggestions?

Should I go stand in the corner again?

(Note: I have never actually tried this, so I wonder if it's practical.)
 
Tecumseh said:
Well Markbo if you don't understand after seeing Hurricane Katrina, the passage of many Unconstitutional Laws, and just an ever increasing dissatisfaction with the country, then you just cannot understand. Gun confiscations have already happened right here in the United States. Why not have some spares in case the government comes to get your guns?

Spoken like someone with neither the want nor ability to answer a simple question. I assure you that I have the mental aptitude to wrap my cognitive abilities around any idea or issue. Saying then you just cannot understand. is not only insulting, it is insipid. I can understand. But I already said that I don't and asked for some help, you boob!:scrutiny:

First, in Katrina that whole part of the country in under the exising water table. They bury the dead in New Orleans above ground. Then it was under water. Good idea to bury guns UNDER the water table and then try to retrieve them after the water table is now 10 feet deeper?

The issue of illegal confiscation has already been address by the NRA and laws have been passed by many many states clarifying the illegality of such action. The actions were undertaken by a near Socialist Mayor. Do ANY of these conditions exist where any of you guys live? I know they don't where I live.

Is this whole idea of a cache of guns just because of unconstitutional laws being passed? When has that NOT been the case in the history of this country!?!?! That is why we have the Supreme Court of the United States, to strike them down. State laws are different. How many of you live in a state that is SO socialist that you actually fear for your personal freedoms to the point you have to cache anything 'from the government'?

Do you live with the idea that 'they' may just show up tomorrow completely unannounced to take your personal belongings and infringe on your rights??? Is this breakdown of society going to happen without your knowledge that it is coming? You won't have time to do anything about it? No time to hide a couple somewhere that is about 99.9% easier and faster to get to? Perhaps hidden in a better, safer, drier location?

Does this not strike any of you as a little bit 1950's bomb shelter mentality???
I don't think 'they' are coming after me. I don't think 'they' are coming after my guns. If they do, there will be a problem. And they will never, ever get them all. No matter what. And I assure you they will not be buried in a septic tank.

Now... does anyone ELSE want to try and explain this to me instead of being patronizing?
 
The issue of illegal confiscation has already been address by the NRA and laws have been passed by many many states clarifying the illegality of such action.
This all can change with the stroke of the presidents pen, and even congress cant even do anything about it for the EO's waiting period, even if they had the balls to.

That is why we have the Supreme Court of the United States, to strike them down.
Dont count on the Supreme Court to bail us out either. They upheld the 1934 machine gun ban, and havent done anything since to make things better. I'm not placing much hope for this new round.


There are a lot of reasons to cache things, and some methods are better than others, and all of them are well known to those who seem to be the booger man. If they didnt already know about any of the methods here, they do now.

Personally, I'm of the belief that if its time to bury them, then its time to use them. If your going to need them, you probably wont have time to dig. :)
 
For the residents of NO during Katrina, it was the time to use them.

I thought they were going to be taking your guns from your cold, dead hands guys ;)
 
Find someone who does underground construction or go to an underground construction supply house and get some sdr PVC pipe and glue on caps. You can get it in 3 in on up to 2ft+ diameter. Glue on the caps with a good cote of pvc cement and they will be water proof. The smaller sizes 3 or 4in can hold a lot of ammo.
 
Yeah... nothing could possibly go wrong burying anything
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DW & I have given this some thought and we've come to the conclusion that we simply can't afford to buy a gun to bury, that if there was a SHTF situation, we may not even be able to. luckily in Colorado private firearms are completely unregulated that means that one could purchase a gun from a private party quite legally W/ out any record of the transaction PERIOD. The wife and I own 2 handguns that were purchased NIB from a local firearms dealer, we also have our CHP which, even if we had privately purchased the above mentioned unregulated firearms, would identify us as gun owners. but hey we're good citizens if the goverment feels that we should turn in our 2 handguns we'll be more than happy to comply.
 
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On the Effectiveness of Aluminium Foil Helmets: An Empirical Study
Ali Rahimi1, Ben Recht 2, Jason Taylor 2, Noah Vawter 2
17 Feb 2005
1: Electrical Engineering and Computer Science department, MIT.
2: Media Laboratory, MIT.


Results
For all helmets, we noticed a 30 db amplification at 2.6 Ghz and a 20 db amplification at 1.2 Ghz, regardless of the position of the antenna on the cranium. In addition, all helmets exhibited a marked 20 db attenuation at around 1.5 Ghz, with no significant attenuation beyond 10 db anywhere else.
Conclusion
The helmets amplify frequency bands that coincide with those allocated to the US government between 1.2 Ghz and 1.4 Ghz. According to the FCC, These bands are supposedly reserved for ''radio location'' (ie, GPS), and other communications with satellites (see, for example, [3]). The 2.6 Ghz band coincides with mobile phone technology. Though not affiliated by government, these bands are at the hands of multinational corporations.
It requires no stretch of the imagination to conclude that the current helmet craze is likely to have been propagated by the Government, possibly with the involvement of the FCC. We hope this report will encourage the paranoid community to develop improved helmet designs to avoid falling prey to these shortcomings.


See?!?!? "They" want you to wear them!! :uhoh:



Read more here:
http://people.csail.mit.edu/rahimi/helmet/
 
Actually, I am kind of curious now... living in southeast texas the soil here is called gumbo... it is a heavy clay like mix and it remains wet... it is always wet underground here.

I am sure in drier climes moisture would not be an issue, but now I am curious just how water tight you could make something like this over the long term, like a decade or more.
 
Instead of underground burial how about building it in to an interior wall of the house? electrical wiring/conduits and/or plumbing could be used to hide any electromagnetic signature. false floors, under the insulation in the attic. Big decorative hearth? make a hidey hole inside, just got chip out one stone or a couple of bricks for access
 
Roadking, not a darn thing wrong with that idea, in fact, excellent idea, but I wanted guns hidden off my domicile.

Markbo, I had a similar problem here. Nice thick topsoil, but lots of river clay underneath and it does rain just a tad here in the Midwest.:D

To combat the threat of water, I went multiple layers of plastic.
 
I am a Marine. I still plan on burying guns and cacheing ammo.

You can bet those victims of Katrina who had their weapons confiscated wished they had a stash somewhere. And they lived.... yet again disproving the "if its time to bury guns its time to dig them up" philosophy.

So....just how would the victims of Katrina dig up said weapons?

Scuba gear?
 
I thought it was 2008 now, not 1999.

Google up Y2K and gun and you'll get lots and lots of ideas.
 
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