Springfield armory, from the CEO

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Company politics to the side my 1911 loaded in .45 adj sights, 2 # trigger can put to shame any 1911 high end just from factory nothing was needed.
Same pistol on 9 mm close enough, to make me happy on steel challenge week ends.
 
Company politics to the side my 1911 loaded in .45 adj sights, 2 # trigger can put to shame any 1911 high end just from factory nothing was needed.
Same pistol on 9 mm close enough, to make me happy on steel challenge week ends.
Slightly off-topic, from how far do you shoot steel with it?
 
So lets summurize.

No SA cause someone made a bad mistake
No SW cause they put the internal Lock on revolvers
No Rugers cause Bill was a jerk
No Glocks cause they are plastic made in Austria
No Remington/Marlin cause they just suck
No Colts cause they go bankrupt every few years and will not make Civilian ARs
Can not buy any guns made in Turkey
Taurus is well you know

Guess that leaves Sig?? Not sure if they screwed up??

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I will continue to buy and support SA... If given the option to buy two similar products at similar prices points, e.i, Hellcat vs P365, I'll choose SA every single time to help offset any lost sales from gun owners who feel virtuous by hoping a gun manufacturer goes out of business, a tens of thousands less "assault rifles" and other afford and reliable firearms are not in the hands of U.S. citizens each year, and hundreds of like minded people out of a job... Not seeing how that's a win for anyone other than the IL and other antigun politicians who put SA in that position in the first place. They apologized, they listened, they changed course, they have been, before and since that incident, supporting and donating to gun rights... It's blows my mind and IMHO is completely asinine to STILL want to punish them...

An organization a couple of higher up suits within the company lobbied to excluded from a bill that seemed doomed to come to fruition either way. They simply changed their position from being against to being neutral on the bill... Keep in mind that they aren't elected officials, and don't get to vote.... I didn't care or think it was a big deal when it first happened, and I still do not now...
 
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So lets summurize.

No SA cause someone made a bad mistake
No SW cause they put the internal Lock on revolvers
No Rugers cause Bill was a jerk
No Glocks cause they are plastic made in Austria
No Remington/Marlin cause they just suck
No Colts cause they go bankrupt every few years and will not make Civilian ARs
Can not buy any guns made in Turkey
Taurus is well you know

Guess that leaves Sig?? Not sure if they screwed up??

:scrutiny:
You forgot one... AKs because they're commie guns used to kill Americans during wars... Pretty soon we're not only going to run out of firearms that it's okay to buy, but we're also going to run out of places we can go, shop at, and do business with as well... If we were to compile a list of places we're boycotting now on top of gun companies, the thread would be several pages long.
 
As usual.... the 2A community is very quick to eat it's own alive.

Incorrect. The 2A community is very quick to police it's own. If you are going to be a gun manufacturer selling out your base, you'll pay in dollars and reputation. Gun owners have long memories. Even price gouging companies like Sportsmans Guide and Cheaper than Dirt have certainly felt the impact of their poor decision making from the past. Boycotts are effective tools outside the firearms realm, even more so within. The beauty of it is sellouts, gougers, and cheats are quickly and readily exposed. If that means eating our own alive, call me a cannibal because I love a good boycott and the righteous bash-fest that usually accompanies it. Wal mart cough, Dicks, cough.....
 
Who boycotts or still goes on strike after they already got what they wanted and the original offence is no longer an issue? We don't usually see people still on the picket line after their demands have already been met... Well other than some people in the gun community...

Boycotting Walmart, Dick's, etc who is actively calling for gun control makes sense; however, if they listen to our side, admit their mistake, start fighting for gun rights, and start selling guns and ammo again, can someone please explain the logic and what sense it makes to continue to boycott them? Who gains and who loses in this situation?

The gun grabbers might not use common sense when it comes to gun laws, but they sure do use it when fighting to push their agenda. They are against Walmart, Dick's, and the like up until they get what they want, and then they congratulate them for it. We are against companies until we get what we want, and even then we don't congratulate them and give them any credit. We STILL treat them as if nothing changed. They're damned if they do and are damned if they don't with us no matter what decision they make. They can either side with us and have both sides mad at them, or they can side with the gun grabbers and at least have the majority of Americans on their side...

Like I said, when and if Springfield does something I see as antigun, I'll be strongly against them. If and when they see the light, listen to their customers, and are supporting our cause, I'll support them...
 
Incorrect. The 2A community is very quick to police it's own. If you are going to be a gun manufacturer selling out your base, you'll pay in dollars and reputation. Gun owners have long memories. Even price gouging companies like Sportsmans Guide and Cheaper than Dirt have certainly felt the impact of their poor decision making from the past. Boycotts are effective tools outside the firearms realm, even more so within. The beauty of it is sellouts, gougers, and cheats are quickly and readily exposed. If that means eating our own alive, call me a cannibal because I love a good boycott and the righteous bash-fest that usually accompanies it. Wal mart cough, Dicks, cough.....
Yeah, right. So tell me, then: what makes firearms manufacturers any different than any other companies that are in business to make profits? And just how many gun companies have we (their "base") put out of business by talking crap about them on the internet and calling for boycotts because they are a business and their executives said something stupid?

Getting upset when businesses act like businesses is like getting mad at your puppy for acting like a puppy and chewing up your slippers ...
 
Getting upset when businesses act like businesses is like getting mad at your puppy for acting like a puppy and chewing up your slippers .
Springfield Armory‘s actions were more like a dog biting my child.
I won’t purchase anything from them or rock river what anyone else wants to do is their own business.
 
I bought my XDs45 before I knew much about this.

I was fairly new at the time and liked the grip safety and how it felt.

Since then I’ve become a huge fan of the S&W M&P 2.0s. Besides everything else, I love they’re made in the USA by an American company. It’s something I can’t say about Springfield.

So he can apologize all he wants. If he’s not making his products here, and there is an alternative that is that I like I won’t be buying his product.

What! Don't you know about the S&W "sell out" to the Clinton administration?
https://www.nraila.org/articles/20000320/the-smith-wesson-sellout

Hey we all are no longer allowed to purchase by opinion of the gun owner masses S&W, Colt since they ended the AR sales, and Springfield !

I personally will continue to buy all of the makers however, not gonna rebel over it
 
I'm ready to forgive SA... after a few years of financial suffering on their part to drive the point home that our community does not take kindly to what they did!
Good luck with that. That ship has sailed, they already got the message from the community, and they apologized for something IMHO they really shouldn't have had to apologize for.
 
What! Don't you know about the S&W "sell out" to the Clinton administration?
https://www.nraila.org/articles/20000320/the-smith-wesson-sellout

Hey we all are no longer allowed to purchase by opinion of the gun owner masses S&W, Colt since they ended the AR sales, and Springfield !

I personally will continue to buy all of the makers however, not gonna rebel over it
Same here... I actually believe the people who are constantly beating this dead horse is having the effect of causing more people to defend and support Springfield vs turning people off from them...
 
M1A is a classic , I have older pre-ban made with military parts, I have a newer one of 2016 it shoots good also. I say get one if you want one don't hold on to a grudge of this sorts. There is a saying that to forgive is to free yourself as well, and by doing so you support the employees making the guns not just a CEO which also supports the gun community in a larger sense.

I also have a Croatian made XDM, is has performed well so far.
 
So tell me, then: what makes firearms manufacturers any different than any other companies that are in business to make profits? And just how many gun companies have we (their "base") put out of business by talking crap about them on the internet and calling for boycotts because they are a business and their executives said something stupid?

Most businesses don't have the rabid levels of interest surrounding their products the way firearms do. Most companies aren't producing political hot potatoes being sold to a demographic that largely abhors any tightening of gun regulations. So the genius at SA hires some dim bulb who quickly gets behind more IL gun control? Even he admits "he broke the trust".

Gun companies take a hit due to online trash talk because a) they support gun legislation b) they make crappy products c) they outright scam and rip people off and word travels fast. Ohio Rapid Fire definitely went down in flames because of online "talking crap" about his FAiL receivers and the Galil receivers he never delivered after taking deposits. All the trash talking spreading the word eventually shut him out of the gun business where his name no longer had traction. I don't think Interordinance is doing so hot after making the world's best AK, lol. Even now at the AK files they are tormenting Palmetto state over perceived failings of their AK's. Take a look at Remington, their QC has sucked for 40 years and they are no longer the player they used to be. But I guess we should all just take what we get and be quiet i.e the ideal Century Arms customer.
 
Nope.

If you are from IL and are/were closely following firearm legislation(we've been fighting the antis forever in IL and everything we have gained has pretty much been by court order after very long battles) then this stung us pretty hard as SA happily threw us under the bus to save their carve out.

It is too hard to forget. We are losing the right one little chip at a time already, when a firearms manufacturer helps them achieve that, then they deserve any pain they are feeling.
 
Nope.

If you are from IL and are/were closely following firearm legislation(we've been fighting the antis forever in IL and everything we have gained has pretty much been by court order after very long battles) then this stung us pretty hard as SA happily threw us under the bus to save their carve out.

It is too hard to forget. We are losing the right one little chip at a time already, when a firearms manufacturer helps them achieve that, then they deserve any pain they are feeling.

  1. What did they do exactly?
  2. Who was responsible for the decision?
  3. Are SA helping or fighting against 2A rights right now?
  4. Should their 2A loving employees be out of a job and have to suffer for what the persons responsible did? (I am guessing that if SA as a company suffer any hard ships, it will be the workers and venders who suffer, and the whoever made the decision will be just fine. They'll be the first to lose hours and be laid off. The venders and their employees will suffer as well.)
  5. SA apologized, changed their position, and reversed course during that fight. Now that we are years after the fact, what do we gain by trying to put them out of business vs what do the anties in your state gain?
I mean I get the emotional appeal and argument against what happened, but holding on to a grudge and wanting the company aka like minded employees and other gun owners who like their products to suffer makes absolutely no sense... Respectfully ,I feel like some are allowing their emotions to get in the way of logic.
 
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Nope.

If you are from IL and are/were closely following firearm legislation(we've been fighting the antis forever in IL and everything we have gained has pretty much been by court order after very long battles) then this stung us pretty hard as SA happily threw us under the bus to save their carve out.

It is too hard to forget. We are losing the right one little chip at a time already, when a firearms manufacturer helps them achieve that, then they deserve any pain they are feeling.
Yep, illinois is different from a lot of other non-2a friendly states. The population of chicago is close to the same size as the rest of the state. They turn this state upside down and everyone here pays the price with regulation, taxes and threats of disarmament so for me as an illinois resident take it personally when a major company like SA bends to please the antis and then realizes they just bit the hand that feeds it. By my estimation SA thought that only illinois residents would be affected and illinois is already a lost cause, they would chance the market outside illinois would not notice. That makes the most sense to me.
 
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