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Springfield Armory XD "Made in Croatia"?

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by TexasRifleman, Aug 1, 2008.

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  1. TexasRifleman

    TexasRifleman Moderator Emeritus

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    Why? Is this a SA design and they are simply taking advantage of cheaper labor or is the XD something that's already made elsewhere and SA is just re-branding the thing and selling it as their own here in the US?

    Just curious. Thanks.
     
  2. possum

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    no the xd is imported and marketed by sa. the design was originally called the HS2000 and it is made in croatia. The name was changed when sa took in the project.
     
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  4. Prince Yamato

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    It's an HS2000 pistol rebadged, "Springfield XD". For the American market. It's like paying for a Glock marked, "American Gun Company, INC." instead of Glock. What you have there is a $400 pistol, that you pay $100 more for so that it has an American distributor's name on it.

    Clever marketing leads some to believe they are buying an "American Glock alternative".
     
  5. TexasRifleman

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    Thanks

    So when SA claims to have made all these improvements for the XD-M it's really this other company or is there a tighter relationship than just importing?

    I'm interested in the XD-M but I was just curious exactly what I might be buying. When I see SA's marketing with Rob Leatham discussing all the changes "they" made to the XD I just wonder if that's all true given that it's imported from Croatia.
     
  6. possum

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    there is much more going on then an importer, originally that is basically what they did they imported the hs series, and stamped thier roll marks and stuff on it, but when it comes to the xd m they did do the upgrades to the xdm and they sent the specs and stuff to croatia and have them make it there. just like the rest of the xd line.

    just like sa 1911's alot of them are made in brazil.

    by the way i don't care where they are made. i own 3 sa handguns and i will buy more in the future, 2 xd's and 1 1911 they are good to go in my book. accurate, reliable, and all fun to own and shoot.
     
  7. TexasRifleman

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    I don't care either, I just ask because the marketing machine from SA is working pretty heavy on the XDM and it sometimes gets difficult to separate fact from marketing in those cases.

    Thanks for the info.
     
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    i know i just wanted to get that out there before some naysayer, or one of those "i buy only american, because i'm and american man, an american!" kinda folks shows up and tries to chime in.
     
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    Which is more American, the Chevy pick-up made in Ontario, or the BMW made in Spartanburg South carolina?
     
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    What I find nifty is the fact that a big old "MADE IN CROATIA" label is on the slide.

    Doesn't bother me. Americans aren't the only ones with clever ideas.
     
  11. lee n. field

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    No, it is a Croatian design that SA is importing and reselling here under their own name. They've done this with other guns in the past.

    I'm guessing it's a bit of both.

    I wonder what percentage of the Croatian production goes to the gun enthusiasts of the United State, vs. the rest of the world.
     
  12. Navy joe

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    Hs2000 was the pistol to have when it hit the shores at $269. Now, just another plastic pistol.
     
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    I have no problem with it being made in another country, but I don't think Taurus would get away with charging Beretta prices.
     
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    From what I understand, it was a Pistol that was developed in the dark days of the yugo war and Springfield armory has a very close relationship to produce the gun (which by most accounts is a nice gun).

    Then again, my Browning Hi Power is Made in Belgium, Assembled in Portugal, for a American company.
     
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    Actually the BMWs are made in Greer but nobody has ever heard of that little town.
     
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    Unless your from NC and tried to date a girl from Greer... LOL
     
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    It was also imported because it conveniently took modified Beretta 92 mags and those were during the days of the AWB. It was a Glock alternative that took cheaper pre-ban mags.
     
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    And Springfield is SO SECRETIVE about the fact the XD is made in Croatia, that they put "MADE IN CROATIA" in capital letters right on the side of the gun! :what: :D

    [​IMG]
     
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    Yeah, but let's face it. the majority of buyers will never LOOK for the "made in" information on their pistol. having the name of an american company on the side is enough for them. ie they'll see the "Springfield Inc, Geneseo IL" and stop reading, if they bother to look at the frame markings at all.

    Many buy the Springfield 1911s b/c they are of the belief that, "they're american made" (and b/c they're affordable). and never notice that most SA finished 1911s, and ALL of the slides and frames are made in Brazil. even though for all the finished guns the origin is stated not only as part of the markings on the gun but (at least when they still shipped in cardboard) right on the box as well.
     
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    Thats not SA'a fault, that the buyers lack of attention to what they are buying.

    Ive had all brands of guns and dont drink any one brands "kool aid". The XD's are same dang tough guns. Ive got 2 of them now a 9sc and a 45c and I couldnt be more satisfied. :)
     
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    More info for ya if you didn't know , But most of there 1911's are made in Brazil by IMBEL!.... I owned a HS2000 excellent pistol for the $300 I paid for it. But im not willing to put out the extra $$$$ for the same gun with Springfield roll marks on it.:scrutiny:
     
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    I got the HS2000 when they first came out. Don’t know how many rounds I’ve put through it (a lot) it’s still going strong not one problem.
     
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    I know I'm going to catch a lot of flack about what I'm about to type. But I don't really care. To be honest, I'd rather buy a pistol made in Croatia than one made in America. I'm proud to be an American but I am not proud of the modern day American work ethic. If someone in Croatia is lucky enough to get a job at that plant then they are going to do whatever it takes to keep that position. The average American these days could care less though. If he gets fired he knows he can milk unemployment for six months and then get a job somewhere else with a decent amount of effort. Obviously this blanket statement doesn't reflect every company in America nor every worker, but it's a high enough rate that I wouldn't trust my life on it.
     
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    Just for example, I'll bring up something that a cousin of mine told me about the folks over in Bosnia (was there back when we were doing the peacekeeping missions, et cetera). They had a fast food joint on the base that was staffed by locals. Even though these guys were just making burgers and fries you could recognize the pride and effort they put into making everything perfect. They were happy about being employed and making money and wanted to continue doing so. Compare that to your local McDonald's. How much work ethic did that punk kid put into making your fries? How much does he care about the product he put out there? Obviously this isn't a direct comparison to firearm production but it just goes to show the different mental states that our areas of the world have. The workforce we have in America today isn't what our parents and grandparents had. It's embarrassing.
     
  25. GingerGuy

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    I would venture to say every generation had its kids with poor work ethics, that why you have no-where going jobs for them to fill. But you also have the top 10% or more of each generation that is proud of their accomplishment, has been brought up right and will be a valuable contributor to our society is some way, large or small.

    I don't blame the kids, it's the parents that either demand that their children know right from wrong or the ones that just let nature runs its course.

    There are kids out there that want to excel and they are doing so....and I say way-to-go to them all.
     
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